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Terminus, Cannibals, Roman Mythology?

  • I think Terminus is a cannibal camp. In the Comic Series Rick's group stumbles upon a group called The Hunters. They are survivors and started being cannibals after they ran out of food supplies. They have a camp sheltered by fences somewhere between Atlanta and Washington DC, the excact location is unknown.

    In the TV Series Terminus is also surrounded by fences and is set up somewhere between Atlanta and DC. While Maggie, Glenn and the rest of the group arrive they get greeted by Mary.

    First of all, Mary can be seen cooking. Behind her is a big oven thing, which is a big as an coffin, with burning fire. It seems like a long piece of meat is burning in the right corner. It kinda looks like a leg.

    Also, Mary really resembles to the woman on the bloody painting Michonne found when on a supply run with Carl in 'Claimed'.

    Also the sunflower painting on the wall can have something to do with all the sunflowers growing in Terminus (seen when the group enters).

    The first thing Mary says after greeting them is that they must have been on the road for a long time. Cannibals think like animals: the weaker, the easier. Also Mary says she will make them a good plate of food/flesh/meat (?). Cannibals can be really proud of their own work, which they think is good.

    It has been confirmed that there are more people living in Terminus. So if it's really what I am thinking (a cannibal group) they are with more. As I said it is probably a group, eating survivors. Mary gave me the impression that she is a cannibal, probably living with more cannibals.

    Let me know what you think.

    Definitions of Terminus:


    In Roman mythology Terminus is the god of boundaries, the protector of the limits both of private property and of the public territory of Rome. He was represented by a stone or post, set up in the ground with the following religious ceremonies. A trench was dug, in which a fire was lighted; a victim was sacrificed, and its blood poured into the trench; the body, upon which incense and fruits, honey and wine were thrown, was then cast into the fire. When it was entirely consumed, the boundary stone, which had been previously anointed and crowned with garlands, was placed upon the hot ashes and fixed in the ground. Any one who removed a boundary stone was accursed (sacer) and might be slain with impunity; a fine was afterwards substituted for the death penalty. On the 23rd of February (the end of the old Roman year) the festival called Terminalia, according to Wissowa a festival not of the god but of the boundary stones (termini), was held. The owners of adjacent lands assembled at the common boundary stone, and crowned their own side of the stone with garlands; an altar was set up and offerings of cakes, corn, honey and wine were made (later, a lamb or a sucking pig was sacrificed). The proceedings closed with songs to the god and a general merrymaking, in which all the members of the family and the servants took part. A similar festival was also held at the old boundary of the Roman territory between the fifth and sixth milestones on the road to Laurentum. The custom of fixing the boundaries of property and the institution of the yearly festival were both ascribed to Numa. Another Sabine prince, Titus Tatius, had dedicated a stone to Terminus on the Capitoline hill. When Tarquinius Superbus desired to build a temple to Jupiter, the auguries forbade its removal, and it was enclosed within the walls of the new sanctuary, an indication of the immovability of such stones and of the permanence of the Roman territory. Terminus was probably in its origin only an epithet of Jupiter. The fact of the inclusion of his statue in the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus; the hole cut in the temple roof so that he might be worshipped in the open air as being, like Jupiter, a god of 1 Agathocles was a native of Thermae.

    Latin

    1. The end or final point of something.
    2. The end point of a transportion system or the town or city in which it is located.
    3. A boundary or border, or a post or stone marking such a boundary.

    The Latin definiton makes sense, because it's an end to a long journey.

    The Roman Mythology is something more interesting. If you really believe that Terminus has something to do with cannibalism, the god Terminus and his enviroment have a lot of things in common with the camp Terminus itself. Also, the blood sacrifies (?) Terminus the god needs and the blooded painting of the look a like of Mary which Michonne found.








    Please don't hate on me, this is my personal opinion. And sorry for my English, I am Dutch. About cannibalism: I searched some facts which can fit to Mary's personality.

    Discuss the subject and share your theory!

    -TWD_Lauren

    Claimed painting -Michonne

    The painting

    Ss

    Mary

    Left we see the painting Michonne found while being on a supply run with Carl. The woman in the painting really looks like Mary.
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    • Your observation's good. Or some would say. Over-analyzation.

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    • TWD Lauren
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      doesn't make sense
      18:30, March 24, 2014
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      The word you are looking for is "cannibals"

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    • Yup, seems to fit perfectly. Nice analysis, all the pieces fit together. I had my doubts about terminus and just knew something was up, and after reading this i am sure that you are right on target. Sanctuary my ass...

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    • Those who arrive... Well errr get eaten. Terminus is a trap, definitely. I hope Beth hasn't been cooked! I was enjoying her character development!!

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    • TWD Lauren
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      and how is it possible that there is only ONE person outside? a man named gareth has been confirmed but come on, one person?

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    • I've read an interview with Nicotero. He said that "No, she's not the only one who's there. She's the one that we see first, but we'll quite quickly meet others. In this particular situation, it's easy for them to get in. It's not like they had to go through checkpoints or anything. As they're walking into Terminus, the gate is open and there's a note that says to close it behind you. We see flowers, and we hear a bit of noise from some people milling about. Mary just happens to be the first one; she's the welcoming committee."

      Guys, it seems to me now that this place is not "clean" and safe.

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    • Mary is not a cannibal. I heard from my friend that this terminus is a decoy camp. Mary and some others wait at the decoy and check out all the newcomers, to see if their worth bringing in. And Mary wouldn't be surprised because see sees people flock to Terminus for food and shelter, why would she be surprised to see 8 more survivors?

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    • TWD Lauren
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      man there are a lot of theories

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    • obviously terminus is a trap. If you're theroy is right (I'm back and forth on if i agree), then my theory is this: Beth is alive. When you think about it like a cannible, you very quickly relie that eating people slowly, A leg at a time, will allow the resdt of the "meat" to be presevered. If this is the case, this could be the sheer brutality Rick is suposed to face, combinded with Joe's bandits and Gareth's group. Needless to say, brutality could be any of these things. If the promo above me is accurate, Gareth strikes me as the leader, he is cocky and arogant, a contrast to the Govener and more like Negan. 

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    • Those who arrive, Survive. Until we get tired of eating cabbage then some dumb bitch is going to be eaten.

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    • 108.24.78.51 wrote:
      Mary is not a cannibal. I heard from my friend that this terminus is a decoy camp. Mary and some others wait at the decoy and check out all the newcomers, to see if their worth bringing in. And Mary wouldn't be surprised because see sees people flock to Terminus for food and shelter, why would she be surprised to see 8 more survivors?


      Mary can be a cannibal. You heard from your friend that Terminus is a decoy camp, I heard it is a camp from cannibals. Which cannibal is surprised to see 8 more survivors is she's/they're going to kill and eat them anyways? It's all about opinions.

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    • Wow, that's a much more revealing promo than the United State ones!

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    • omg we have the exact same theory. I'm shocked. That Mary girl seemed really sketchy too.

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    • TWD Lauren wrote:

      Wow, that's a much more revealing promo than the United State ones!

      Yep:) I was shocked when i found it. We can see Gareth first time and he looks kinda "bossy" there. 

      P.S. Guys, if u watch the promo share your ideas about.

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    • anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory

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    • 124.6.181.42 wrote:
      Your observation's good. Or some would say. Over-analyzation.


      Over-analyzation? More like being suspicious and trying different theories :)

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    • TWD Lauren
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      DARKWASH wrote:
      anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory
      Ss

      Mary

      Beth and Daryl seeing a walker Beth about to attack

      Beth

      I am not sure but they kinda look a like.
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    • DARKWASH wrote:
      anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory

      Ss

      Mary

      Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

      Beth

      The jacket Mary wears underneath her "Indian" looking coat resembles to the jacket Beth wore before she went missing (abducted)
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    • The coats don't look alike.  

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    • TWD Lauren wrote:
      DARKWASH wrote:
      anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory

      Ss

      Mary

      Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

      Beth

      The jacket Mary wears underneath her "Indian" looking coat resembles to the jacket Beth wore before she went missing (abducted)

      Obviously it is two different jackets:)

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    • Hannah-may wrote:
      TWD Lauren wrote:
      DARKWASH wrote:
      anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory

      Ss

      Mary

      Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

      Beth

      The jacket Mary wears underneath her "Indian" looking coat resembles to the jacket Beth wore before she went missing (abducted)
      Obviously it is two different jackets:)

      Yes, I kind of thought the same thing. But everyone said she wore Beth's jacket so I believed it, until I took a closer look :P

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    • Gregsson88 wrote:
      The coats don't look alike.  

      You're right. I updated the thread. :)

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    • This just screams The hunters

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    • TWD Lauren wrote:
      Hannah-may wrote:
      TWD Lauren wrote:
      DARKWASH wrote:
      anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory

      Ss

      Mary

      Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

      Beth

      The jacket Mary wears underneath her "Indian" looking coat resembles to the jacket Beth wore before she went missing (abducted)
      Obviously it is two different jackets:)
      Yes, I kind of thought the same thing. But everyone said she wore Beth's jacket so I believed it, until I took a closer look :P

      Suppose that Beth is alive and wears her grey jacket:P

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    • Hannah-may wrote:
      TWD Lauren wrote:
      Hannah-may wrote:
      TWD Lauren wrote:
      DARKWASH wrote:
      anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory

      Ss

      Mary

      Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

      Beth

      The jacket Mary wears underneath her "Indian" looking coat resembles to the jacket Beth wore before she went missing (abducted)
      Obviously it is two different jackets:)
      Yes, I kind of thought the same thing. But everyone said she wore Beth's jacket so I believed it, until I took a closer look :P
      Suppose that Beth is alive and wears her grey jacket:P

      I hope so! She's an amazing character.

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    • TWD Lauren wrote:
      Hannah-may wrote:
      TWD Lauren wrote:
      Hannah-may wrote:
      TWD Lauren wrote:
      DARKWASH wrote:
      anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory

      Ss

      Mary

      Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

      Beth

      The jacket Mary wears underneath her "Indian" looking coat resembles to the jacket Beth wore before she went missing (abducted)
      Obviously it is two different jackets:)
      Yes, I kind of thought the same thing. But everyone said she wore Beth's jacket so I believed it, until I took a closer look :P
      Suppose that Beth is alive and wears her grey jacket:P
      I hope so! She's an amazing character.

      We'll find out if she is alive this sunday. I'm almost sure that she is.

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    • Hannah-may wrote:
      I've read an interview with Nicotero. He said that "No, she's not the only one who's there. She's the one that we see first, but we'll quite quickly meet others. In this particular situation, it's easy for them to get in. It's not like they had to go through checkpoints or anything. As they're walking into Terminus, the gate is open and there's a note that says to close it behind you. We see flowers, and we hear a bit of noise from some people milling about. Mary just happens to be the first one; she's the welcoming committee."

      Guys, it seems to me now that this place is not "clean" and safe.

      It just occurred to you now? I knew it from the minute with all those "those who arrive survive" signs all around. Kind of screams trap to me.

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    • Guys how could they be cannibals? aren't all humans already infected? so if you kill a human and then eat it you technically would be eating a walker!

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    • 108.24.78.51 wrote: Mary is not a cannibal. I heard from my friend that this terminus is a decoy camp. Mary and some others wait at the decoy and check out all the newcomers, to see if their worth bringing in. And Mary wouldn't be surprised because see sees people flock to Terminus for food and shelter, why would she be surprised to see 8 more survivors?

      The only way I could see the decoy camp angle is if it's an allusion to what Matt Mogk was talking about on the talking dead.

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    • 94.212.62.155 wrote:
      Guys how could they be cannibals? aren't all humans already infected? so if you kill a human and then eat it you technically would be eating a walker!

      Nah, not if you kill off the brain. And it wouldn't matter if you ate another human, they're all infected.

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    • ^ exactly why they would keep them alive. If they have taken Beth, they've been eating her alive for days, I reckon the meat cooking is beth :( sorry to say.

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    • 202.89.60.157 wrote: ^ exactly why they would keep them alive. If they have taken Beth, they've been eating her alive for days, I reckon the meat cooking is beth :( sorry to say.

      Well to be fair there's not really much there. Or they have been finishing off someone else first.

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    • 173.32.230.205 wrote:

      202.89.60.157 wrote: ^ exactly why they would keep them alive. If they have taken Beth, they've been eating her alive for days, I reckon the meat cooking is beth :( sorry to say.

      Well to be fair there's not really much there. Or they have been finishing off someone else first.

      I think they'll have Beth locked up somewhere, ready to eat, but still alive.

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    • Siamesedream1 wrote:

      173.32.230.205 wrote:

      202.89.60.157 wrote: ^ exactly why they would keep them alive. If they have taken Beth, they've been eating her alive for days, I reckon the meat cooking is beth :( sorry to say.

      Well to be fair there's not really much there. Or they have been finishing off someone else first.

      I think they'll have Beth locked up somewhere, ready to eat, but still alive.

      I'm pretty sure she there somewhere. It looks like Terminus is going to take up most of this episode and she hasn't shown up anywhere else and I don't see them leaving this hanging.

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    • I look better in a lab coat than a fedora wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:

      173.32.230.205 wrote:

      202.89.60.157 wrote: ^ exactly why they would keep them alive. If they have taken Beth, they've been eating her alive for days, I reckon the meat cooking is beth :( sorry to say.

      Well to be fair there's not really much there. Or they have been finishing off someone else first.
      I think they'll have Beth locked up somewhere, ready to eat, but still alive.
      I'm pretty sure she there somewhere. It looks like Terminus is going to take up most of this episode and she hasn't shown up anywhere else and I don't see them leaving this hanging.

      I agree. She's in there somewhere. I hope Terminus takes up most of the episode. The promo seemed to just show a bunch of scenes that take place in the woods. But I suppose that's so they don't spoil what Terminus is.

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    • We might get a scene like from the video game, How Lee stumbles apon Mark with his legs cut off upstairs on the st. johns farm, Rick or someone may stumble apon Beth with a leg(or both) missing, just a theory but possible, imagine how Maggie would react if she just found out she just ate part of her own sister, brutal.....

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    • ^^^ Might lead up to Maggie trying to hang herself later. :o

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    • I thought it was a cannibal camp, because where is the protection in such a big "group."

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    • If you have ever played fallout 3 which takes places in Washington D.C. You will randomly encounter so called, hunters who sell "strange meat" which is human flesh.

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    • 173.32.230.205 wrote:

      202.89.60.157 wrote: ^ exactly why they would keep them alive. If they have taken Beth, they've been eating her alive for days, I reckon the meat cooking is beth :( sorry to say.

      Well to be fair there's not really much there. Or they have been finishing off someone else first.

      Cannibals eat their food in parts. They 'like' to keep the meat fresh so they don't cook it all at once. They just take a certain part of the victim's body and leave the victim (alive/dead) behind. Once they're hungry again they repeat the process.

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    • Adam Up Bxtch wrote:
      We might get a scene like from the video game, How Lee stumbles apon Mark with his legs cut off upstairs on the st. johns farm, Rick or someone may stumble apon Beth with a leg(or both) missing, just a theory but possible, imagine how Maggie would react if she just found out she just ate part of her own sister, brutal.....

      Good theory!

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    • Pretty obvious that this is basically the television adaption of "Fear The Hunters" from the comic series. I have a bad feeling it will fall flat like the Season 3 finale.

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    • i want daryl to go ape shit and kill all of the canibals himself poor guys gone through alot this season he needs to let out some steam.

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    • In the US promo in one shot that lasts a split second, you see Carl, Rick, and Michonne enter a candle lit room. There are statues of what looks like the Virgin Mary laid out and "ALWAYS" is hand written on the wall.

      I believe the producers want us to think Terminus is a bad place when in fact it is a church sanctuary and Gareth is an adaptation of Father Gabriel Stokes. Just like in the comic right before meeting the Hunters. In fact, I wouldn't doubt if Gareth introduces himself as Father Gareth Stokes.

      The New Zealand promo which features gun fire I believe is rather deceiving. "Clear" had a very similar promo showing a masked Morgan firing a sniper rifle on a rooftop and Rick, Carl, and Michonne taking cover and firing back. And well, that episode didn't turn out the way the promo made it look.

      So I think Terminus does turn out to be a sanctuary, at least for now, but they're setting up for an encounter with The Hunters next season. Which might be a let down of a season finale if it goes down that way. It's not really ending on a cliff hanger. And if it does turn out to be a cannibal camp, then it was predictable... which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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    • If the canibal theory is true... It would account for the veggies all growing along the sides as they walked in.  Its almoist symbolic that THEY are the meal and the veggies are the "sides".


      Gross.

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    • the first thing I thought about Mary was: "She looks like she's gonna eat them." I'm surprized that other people also think so...

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    • I was thinking about Terminus and I'm thinking that Terminus is generally a good place, nothing bad going on, no hunters. And really the only threat at Terminus would be Joe's group.

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    • Mayor Zain wrote:
      I was thinking about Terminus and I'm thinking that Terminus is generally a good place, nothing bad going on, no hunters. And really the only threat at Terminus would be Joe's group.

      Maybe you are right cause sometimes the promos are soo tricky:)

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    • Mayor Zain wrote:
      I was thinking about Terminus and I'm thinking that Terminus is generally a good place, nothing bad going on, no hunters. And really the only threat at Terminus would be Joe's group.

      Yeah, maybe Joe's group attacks Terminus. Maybe this way will be Terminus destroyed and thanks to that, Rick and the others end up back on the road looking for a safe place.

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    • Like a previous post said, promos are really tricky to read, the promo for The Grove made events seem different to how they actually were in the full product. With that said, I can't help but think that Terminus is a cannibal camp, but if the finale focuses on Rick vs The Maruaders then Season 5 will have to pick up right from E16. I don't think it will focus just on the fight between the 2 groups, but it would mean they wouldn't skip winter again next season.

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    • Here is the Dutch promo:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDC455ugODc

      It shows that Tyreese, Carol and Judith are back on the train rails, which I haven't seen in any promo before.

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    • Among the residents of the region beyond Jordan was a woman called Mary, daughter of Eleazar, of the village of Bethezuba (the name means "House of Hyssop"). She was well off, and of good family, and had fled to Jerusalem with her relatives, where she became involved with the siege. Most of the property she had packed up and brought with her from Peraea had been plundered by the tyrants [Simon and John, leaders of the Jewish war-effort], and the rest of her treasure, together with such foods as she had been able to procure, was being carried by their henchmen in their daily raids. In her bitter resentment the poor woman cursed and abused these extortioners, and this incensed them against her. However, no one put her to death either from exasperation or pity. She grew weary of trying to find food for her kinsfolk. In any case, it was by now impossible to get any, wherever you tried. Famine gnawed at her vitals, and the fire of rage was ever fiercer than famine. So, driven by fury and want, she committed a crime against nature. Seizing her child, an infant at the breast, she cried, "My poor baby, why should I keep you alive in this world of war and famine? Even if we live till the Romans come, they will make slaves of us; and anyway, hunger will get us before slavery does; and the rebels are crueler than both. Come, be food for me, and an avenging fury to the rebels, and a tale of cold horror to the world to complete the monstrous agony of the Jews." With these words she killed her son, roasted the body, swallowed half of it, and stored the rest in a safe place. But the rebels were on her at once, smelling roasted meat, and threatening to kill her instantly if she did not produce it. She assured them she had saved them a share, and revealed the remains of her child. Seized with horror and stupefaction, they stood paralyzed at the sight. But she said, "This is my own child, and my own handiwork. Eat, for I have eaten already. Do not show yourselves weaker than a woman, or more pitiful than a mother. But if you have pious scruples, and shrink away from human sacrifice, then what I have eaten can count as your share, and I will eat what is left as well." At that they slunk away, trembling, not daring to eat, although they were reluctant to yield even this food to the mother. The whole city soon rang with the abomination. When people heard of it, they shuddered, as though they had done it themselves.

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    • TWD-Always

      Screen shop of the candle room.

      Here is a screen shop of the candle room...assume it is in Terminus. Can be either really creepy or very spritual.

      Promos are VERY misdirecting...so I have no idea on what to think. I do know that Kirkman said this season will end with a major cliffhanger. Ugh. I hate cliffhangers.

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    • A Survivor wrote:
      TWD-Always

      Screen shop of the candle room.

      Here is a screen shop of the candle room...assume it is in Terminus. Can be either really creepy or very spritual.

      Promos are VERY misdirecting...so I have no idea on what to think. I do know that Kirkman said this season will end with a major cliffhanger. Ugh. I hate cliffhangers.


      Oh my gosh, a cliffhanger? That's gonna hurt :P

      Terminus is a mysterious place, that's for sure.

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    • It was the producers plan all along to have us think it's a dangerous place filled with cannibals... or at least I predict that to be the case. I think Gareth will turn out to be Father Gareth Stokes and Terminus is a church sanctuary.

      One cliffhanger theory could be while on the way to Terminus Carol, Tyrese, and Judith run into a stranger with a car that looks exactly like the one that took Beth. The stranger lies and says Terminus is gone and he can take them to a safer camp down the road. His name is Chris. The creepy music plays as Carol, Tyrese, and Judith get into the car.

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    • 173.62.245.221 wrote:
      It was the producers plan all along to have us think it's a dangerous place filled with cannibals... or at least I predict that to be the case. I think Gareth will turn out to be Father Gareth Stokes and Terminus is a church sanctuary.

      One cliffhanger theory could be while on the way to Terminus Carol, Tyrese, and Judith run into a stranger with a car that looks exactly like the one that took Beth. The stranger lies and says Terminus is gone and he can take them to a safer camp down the road. His name is Chris. The creepy music plays as Carol, Tyrese, and Judith get into the car.

      Why Chris? Is that a Comic reference? Just curious as that is a pretty specific theory.

      My theory on the cliffhanger is the fate of Rick and/or Daryl. I think one or both of them will be either kidnapped or thought to be where an explosion or herd overrun would happen. Just a thought.

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    • A Survivor wrote:

      Why Chris? Is that a Comic reference? Just curious as that is a pretty specific theory.

      Yes, Chris is the leader of the Hunters in the comics.

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    • 173.62.245.221 wrote:

      A Survivor wrote:

      Why Chris? Is that a Comic reference? Just curious as that is a pretty specific theory.

      Yes, Chris is the leader of the Hunters in the comics.

      Thanks. I have not read the comic series and just recently started watching TWD.

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    • A Survivor wrote:
      173.62.245.221 wrote:
      It was the producers plan all along to have us think it's a dangerous place filled with cannibals... or at least I predict that to be the case. I think Gareth will turn out to be Father Gareth Stokes and Terminus is a church sanctuary.

      One cliffhanger theory could be while on the way to Terminus Carol, Tyrese, and Judith run into a stranger with a car that looks exactly like the one that took Beth. The stranger lies and says Terminus is gone and he can take them to a safer camp down the road. His name is Chris. The creepy music plays as Carol, Tyrese, and Judith get into the car.

      Why Chris? Is that a Comic reference? Just curious as that is a pretty specific theory.

      My theory on the cliffhanger is the fate of Rick and/or Daryl. I think one or both of them will be either kidnapped or thought to be where an explosion or herd overrun would happen. Just a thought.

      Some people say that Carl will get raped by someone... Don't ask me how but I have heard it from a couple of persons.

      And it's also possible that the gunfire which is seen in the promo is Rick's group vs Joe's group. When Joe tells about what happened when they claimed the house where Rick, Michonne and Carl stayed Daryl asked if he knew there names. He said that one of his group members remembered the guys (Rick's) appearance. It's possible when Joe's group and Daryl reach Terminus, that one guy recognizes Rick's face and maybe opens a gun fire or a fight and then a gun fire.

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    • The Terminus is just a lie, very kind to be true.

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    • To sum it all up, everybody's completely and utterly fucked. Except ty and carol...

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    • The woman in the portrait that Michonne found was clearly the woman who shot herself after killing the boys in the same house, not Mary. Though, she does look a lot like her...

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    • When the group arrived, and she said:

      My name is Mary, Welcome to Terminus.

      Looked like:

      My name is Mary, I want to eat Them, Welcome to Terminus, I want to eat Them, and I will use your bones as toothpicks! I want to eat Them.

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    • Gustavo64151889 wrote: When the group arrived, and she said:

      My name is Mary, Welcome to Terminus.

      Looked like:

      My name is Mary, I want to eat Them, Welcome to Terminus, I want to eat Them, and I will use your bones as toothpicks! I want to eat Them.

      Don't be silly. You would use the bones for soup.

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    • The car where beth got kidnapped, had a jesuschrist cross in the rear window, so I think Gareth resembles Gabriel from the comic and she got kidnapped from him.

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    • 79.242.139.150 wrote:
      Among the residents of the region beyond Jordan was a woman called Mary, daughter of Eleazar, of the village of Bethezuba (the name means "House of Hyssop"). She was well off, and of good family, and had fled to Jerusalem with her relatives, where she became involved with the siege. Most of the property she had packed up and brought with her from Peraea had been plundered by the tyrants [Simon and John, leaders of the Jewish war-effort], and the rest of her treasure, together with such foods as she had been able to procure, was being carried by their henchmen in their daily raids. In her bitter resentment the poor woman cursed and abused these extortioners, and this incensed them against her. However, no one put her to death either from exasperation or pity. She grew weary of trying to find food for her kinsfolk. In any case, it was by now impossible to get any, wherever you tried. Famine gnawed at her vitals, and the fire of rage was ever fiercer than famine. So, driven by fury and want, she committed a crime against nature. Seizing her child, an infant at the breast, she cried, "My poor baby, why should I keep you alive in this world of war and famine? Even if we live till the Romans come, they will make slaves of us; and anyway, hunger will get us before slavery does; and the rebels are crueler than both. Come, be food for me, and an avenging fury to the rebels, and a tale of cold horror to the world to complete the monstrous agony of the Jews." With these words she killed her son, roasted the body, swallowed half of it, and stored the rest in a safe place. But the rebels were on her at once, smelling roasted meat, and threatening to kill her instantly if she did not produce it. She assured them she had saved them a share, and revealed the remains of her child. Seized with horror and stupefaction, they stood paralyzed at the sight. But she said, "This is my own child, and my own handiwork. Eat, for I have eaten already. Do not show yourselves weaker than a woman, or more pitiful than a mother. But if you have pious scruples, and shrink away from human sacrifice, then what I have eaten can count as your share, and I will eat what is left as well." At that they slunk away, trembling, not daring to eat, although they were reluctant to yield even this food to the mother. The whole city soon rang with the abomination. When people heard of it, they shuddered, as though they had done it themselves.

      I see a smal parallel. Mary provides the group grilled (human?) meat.

      Mary of Bethezuba also offered her grilled child to a group.

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    • A Survivor wrote:
      TWD-Always

      Screen shop of the candle room.

      Here is a screen shop of the candle room...assume it is in Terminus. Can be either really creepy or very spritual.

      Promos are VERY misdirecting...so I have no idea on what to think. I do know that Kirkman said this season will end with a major cliffhanger. Ugh. I hate cliffhangers.

      There's what appears to be names written on the floor. Just behind the cluster in the foreground is the name Andrea to the right, and it looks it says Dan up the center. That would suggest a memorium room. In memory of those that made such great steaks and stew, upholstery fabrics, lampshades, sex toys, etc.. Oh wait, I may had been thinking of American Horror Story. Never mind.

      And yeah, they love throwing a few frames at us to get us speculating, then we find out things were jumbled up to keep us off balance. :oD

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    • Zombie Geezer wrote:
      A Survivor wrote:
      TWD-Always

      Screen shop of the candle room.

      Here is a screen shop of the candle room...assume it is in Terminus. Can be either really creepy or very spritual.

      Promos are VERY misdirecting...so I have no idea on what to think. I do know that Kirkman said this season will end with a major cliffhanger. Ugh. I hate cliffhangers.

      There's what appears to be names written on the floor. Just behind the cluster in the foreground is the name Andrea to the right, and it looks it says Dan up the center. That would suggest a memorium room. In memory of those that made such great steaks and stew, upholstery fabrics, lampshades, sex toys, etc.. Oh wait, I may had been thinking of American Horror Story. Never mind.

      And yeah, they love throwing a few frames at us to get us speculating, then we find out things were jumbled up to keep us off balance. :oD

      I agree that they are really good at shaping the promos to make us think one thing, then delivering something completely different.

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    • TWD Lauren wrote:
      DARKWASH wrote:
      anybody have a picture to back up the beth sweater theory

      Ss

      Mary

      Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

      Beth

      The jacket Mary wears underneath her "Indian" looking coat resembles to the jacket Beth wore before she went missing (abducted)

      The buttons are different

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    • I love how well TWD does their foreshadowing.

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      Foreshadowing...creepy

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    • >Rick and the others find a creek bed and Michonne helps clean the blood from Rick's face. As they recover from the incident Daryl mentions that Beth was taken and believes they could of went to Terminus. The group heads to Terminus and arrive there in the morning. >Rick tells Daryl to stay behind the fence incase thing's go south. Daryl agrees and tells Rick to do whatever it takes to safe Beth if she's there. Rick, Carl and Michonne head to the gate and are greeted by Mary and Forrest. Mary walkies Gareth to the gate who welcomes them to Terminus. He tells them that they have plenty of food and shelter.  >While showing them around, they go threw a room that looks as if they perform rituals but Gareth just tells Rick it's helps the residents maintain sanity. Rick notices his watch that he had given Sam. He also notices the orange pack back that he had picked up from the hitchhiker in Season 3. Rick grows weary and tells Michonne and Carl that this place isn't safe. He thanks Gareth for his hospitality but they have changed their minds and would like to leave.

      >Gareth tries to persuade Rick to stay but he begins to rush towards the gate. Gareth walks Mary and Forrest and tell them to close the gate. Rick quickly grabs the nearest resident, Chloe, and puts a gun to her head, demanding them to open the gate. Gareth tells Rick to lower his weapon so they can talk about this. After Rick is unresponsive Gareth reveals that there are snipers on the roof targeting Rick. Gareth gives him two options, A; he and the others put down their weapons and calm down. B; They all die. >Gareth then pulls out a pocket watch and tells Rick he has 1 minute to decide. Rick realizes that is the watch that Hershel gave Glenn and he begins to shout where is people are. Rick says he knows they have them hostage and mentions the backpack, along with the wrist watch he spotted. Gareth puts the pocket watch back in the coat and puts his hand out, telling Rick is being irrational. Rick shouts once more where his people are. Gareth closes his hand and one of the snipers is shot from distance.

      >A shootout begins inside of Terminus and Michonne begins to chase down Gareth. It is revealed that Carol and Tyreese are outside the fence with Daryl. Carol had sniped the shooter and stays back with Judith as Daryl and Tyreese run towards the gate. Rick and Carl gun everyone down as they see Daryl and Tyreese try to force the gate open.  >Michonne gets loses Gareth and begins to search inside each room. Rick gets the keys from Mary's pocket and opens the gate tells them they have their people hostage. Daryl and Tyreese tell Rick that Carol has Judith before they run deeper into Terminus. Rick and Carl run to Carol and Judith and tearfully thank her. Rick tells Carol he was sorry for doing what he did and she tells him that she understands and she respects him as their leader. >Michonne opens up a room filled with human meat and dismembered body parts. As she flicks the light switch on she notices a table with humans heads with knifes wounds in each one, which one belongs to Sam. She looks in the center and looks as if she sees the head of someone she recognizes and screams.




      End of episode.

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    • Reply to the one above...just didn't want to quote (makes the thread even longer).

      Interesting theory. But how does Daryl meet up with Rick? What about Joe?

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    • I personally think Beth was not taken by these people. It just wouldn't make sense. First of all, Daryl and Beth were obviosuly set up. That house was a set up. They couldn't possibly know that only Beth would come running out. So why didn't they just take both of them while they were in the house? They would only do this if they couldn't over power Daryl and Beth. What are the odds someone who wanted to kidnap Beth was sitting outside that house, at the exact right moment waiting for Beth, then simply take her and eat her. It is too much work and too much "good luck". Either Beth was taken because she was hurt and the driver scared, or it could be someone based on Gabriel Stokes. What would the point be in going out and stealing Beth, if they were so close to Terminus?OR, what I personally think,  Beth was taken because she was a pretty, young girl. The house was a set up to see if someone/some group would come in  that could benefit whoever set it up. They then had to lead the walkers there (all those walkers at that place at the right time on the first night is just too much of a strech) trying to send both her and Daryl running out of the house looking for help. That "help" would come in someone who happened to be driving by. They could then take Daryl and Beth wherever they wanted to take them. They ended up just getting Beth and realized Daryl would be a force to be reckoned with. So they just drove off with Beth. Who would set up an elaborate trap for two people, simply deciding to take the girl? Someone with bad motives about what they were going to do with the GIRL. But they could have easily gotten both of them quicker and easier if they were the canables. 

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    • I agree with you ^^

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    • Ziki252 wrote: I personally think Beth was not taken by these people. It just wouldn't make sense. First of all, Daryl and Beth were obviosuly set up. That house was a set up. They couldn't possibly know that only Beth would come running out. So why didn't they just take both of them while they were in the house? They would only do this if they couldn't over power Daryl and Beth. What are the odds someone who wanted to kidnap Beth was sitting outside that house, at the exact right moment waiting for Beth, then simply take her and eat her. It is too much work and too much "good luck". Either Beth was taken because she was hurt and the driver scared, or it could be someone based on Gabriel Stokes. What would the point be in going out and stealing Beth, if they were so close to Terminus?OR, what I personally think,  Beth was taken because she was a pretty, young girl. The house was a set up to see if someone/some group would come in  that could benefit whoever set it up. They then had to lead the walkers there (all those walkers at that place at the right time on the first night is just too much of a strech) trying to send both her and Daryl running out of the house looking for help. That "help" would come in someone who happened to be driving by. They could then take Daryl and Beth wherever they wanted to take them. They ended up just getting Beth and realized Daryl would be a force to be reckoned with. So they just drove off with Beth. Who would set up an elaborate trap for two people, simply deciding to take the girl? Someone with bad motives about what they were going to do with the GIRL. But they could have easily gotten both of them quicker and easier if they were the canables. 

      Look at Daryl... now look at Beth... who do you think would stay a little behind to fight the walkers? If you say Beth, i'm gonna flip...

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    • Why would either stay behind to fight the walkers instead of run? Or why would they both not stay behind to fight the walkers? It was just very convenient that only Beth ran out of the house and not Daryl. 

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    • History Lesson: In 1836, the Western and Atlantic Railroad was approved and an end point, or "Terminus" was chosen in 1837. This name "Terminus" literally means "the end of the line". A post was set up on the end of this rail line and grew into a city. In 1845 the Chief Engineer of the Geogria Rail Road suggested renaming the city after several other attempts, changing it to "Atlantica-Pacifica". This was quickly shortened to "Atlanta" and became the offical name in 1847. 

      I think the fact that Atlanta, Georgia came from "Terminus" aka the end of the rail road (which is where the camp is located, at the end of a rail road) makes much more sense than a mythological theory.

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    • Ziki252 wrote:
      I personally think Beth was not taken by these people. It just wouldn't make sense. First of all, Daryl and Beth were obviosuly set up. That house was a set up. They couldn't possibly know that only Beth would come running out. So why didn't they just take both of them while they were in the house? They would only do this if they couldn't over power Daryl and Beth. What are the odds someone who wanted to kidnap Beth was sitting outside that house, at the exact right moment waiting for Beth, then simply take her and eat her. It is too much work and too much "good luck". Either Beth was taken because she was hurt and the driver scared, or it could be someone based on Gabriel Stokes. What would the point be in going out and stealing Beth, if they were so close to Terminus?OR, what I personally think,  Beth was taken because she was a pretty, young girl. The house was a set up to see if someone/some group would come in  that could benefit whoever set it up. They then had to lead the walkers there (all those walkers at that place at the right time on the first night is just too much of a strech) trying to send both her and Daryl running out of the house looking for help. That "help" would come in someone who happened to be driving by. They could then take Daryl and Beth wherever they wanted to take them. They ended up just getting Beth and realized Daryl would be a force to be reckoned with. So they just drove off with Beth. Who would set up an elaborate trap for two people, simply deciding to take the girl? Someone with bad motives about what they were going to do with the GIRL. But they could have easily gotten both of them quicker and easier if they were the canables. 


      Well, yeah maybe that house was really a trap. Maybe someone from Terminus (If the cannibal theory was right) was watching and was waiting for survivors to go inside the house and make them feel comfortable. When they get all comfy and stuff, they'll kidnap them and eat them. But maybe the "guy watching them" failed his plan because of the dog when he/she barked at the door and alerted all of the zombies, which was not part of the plan of the "watcher" and instead had to kidnap Beth because the "watcher" saw that Beth was alone, and she was vulnerable to be kidnap as she was nervous, scared and probably was waiting for Daryl. Or the "watcher" kidnapped her because it's either take one or take none, because, if the "watcher" waited for Daryl to come to Beth, and tried to kidnap them both, the "watcher" has the chance to die, since Daryl is strong and there are two of them (Beth & Daryl). So instead the "watcher" kidnapped Beth since, like I said, she was nervous, etc. and she is easy to kidnap. And that taking one is better than taking none.

      The cannibal theory makes sense at all actually. Also, who would kidnap Beth? Almost all of the Governor's allies are dead and she has no family to save her. If one of the guys from prison saved her, they must have not stopped and saved Daryl too when Daryl chased the car.

      Also like a guy here said (I was strolling fast and saw his comment but never had the chance to see his name and I am too lazy too look at his comment because there are like 50+ comments her), at the episode "A", Rick "comes face to face with sheer brutality" (as written as the Plot Synopsis of "A" from this wiki) must have a connection with cannibalism.

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    • ^(It's me again) Or maybe it's really a safe place because Christopher's father told Tyrese that the place at the end of the railroad is a safe place and that he's sure about it. He also looked very sincere when he told this information to Tyrese.


      Although I agree more with the cannibalism theory.

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    • 63.97.224.2 wrote:

      >Rick and the others find a creek bed and Michonne helps clean the blood from Rick's face. As they recover from the incident Daryl mentions that Beth was taken and believes they could of went to Terminus. The group heads to Terminus and arrive there in the morning. >Rick tells Daryl to stay behind the fence incase thing's go south. Daryl agrees and tells Rick to do whatever it takes to safe Beth if she's there. Rick, Carl and Michonne head to the gate and are greeted by Mary and Forrest. Mary walkies Gareth to the gate who welcomes them to Terminus. He tells them that they have plenty of food and shelter.  >While showing them around, they go threw a room that looks as if they perform rituals but Gareth just tells Rick it's helps the residents maintain sanity. Rick notices his watch that he had given Sam. He also notices the orange pack back that he had picked up from the hitchhiker in Season 3. Rick grows weary and tells Michonne and Carl that this place isn't safe. He thanks Gareth for his hospitality but they have changed their minds and would like to leave.

      >Gareth tries to persuade Rick to stay but he begins to rush towards the gate. Gareth walks Mary and Forrest and tell them to close the gate. Rick quickly grabs the nearest resident, Chloe, and puts a gun to her head, demanding them to open the gate. Gareth tells Rick to lower his weapon so they can talk about this. After Rick is unresponsive Gareth reveals that there are snipers on the roof targeting Rick. Gareth gives him two options, A; he and the others put down their weapons and calm down. B; They all die. >Gareth then pulls out a pocket watch and tells Rick he has 1 minute to decide. Rick realizes that is the watch that Hershel gave Glenn and he begins to shout where is people are. Rick says he knows they have them hostage and mentions the backpack, along with the wrist watch he spotted. Gareth puts the pocket watch back in the coat and puts his hand out, telling Rick is being irrational. Rick shouts once more where his people are. Gareth closes his hand and one of the snipers is shot from distance.

      >A shootout begins inside of Terminus and Michonne begins to chase down Gareth. It is revealed that Carol and Tyreese are outside the fence with Daryl. Carol had sniped the shooter and stays back with Judith as Daryl and Tyreese run towards the gate. Rick and Carl gun everyone down as they see Daryl and Tyreese try to force the gate open.  >Michonne gets loses Gareth and begins to search inside each room. Rick gets the keys from Mary's pocket and opens the gate tells them they have their people hostage. Daryl and Tyreese tell Rick that Carol has Judith before they run deeper into Terminus. Rick and Carl run to Carol and Judith and tearfully thank her. Rick tells Carol he was sorry for doing what he did and she tells him that she understands and she respects him as their leader. >Michonne opens up a room filled with human meat and dismembered body parts. As she flicks the light switch on she notices a table with humans heads with knifes wounds in each one, which one belongs to Sam. She looks in the center and looks as if she sees the head of someone she recognizes and screams.




      End of episode.

      Good story. BUT who are Forrest and Chloe? Is it your own movie line?

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    • Guys, have u seen Phillipine promo in episode 16 promos? it shows that that ugly disgusting fat f***** pedophile from Joe's claimers holds Carl and then Rick says to Michonne "He is mine"! and  Daryl is in Terminus either. HANDS OFF CARL!!! 

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    • Guys, this is the walking dead, it's obviously a trap, there are no safe haven's in this series, The Prison was just false hope to the group, trying to believe they could live out the rest of their lives there, which they were horribly mistakened

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    • Now we can see on the pic that the guys are alive (Glenn, Sasha, Abe, Tara and others). Maybe not all of them but any way it's good:)

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    • hmm i really think that in terminus are cannibals , but i don't know maybe just some of them are , it's a theory , i mean if terminus is a safe zone with radio and many signs , that means a lot of survivors came there and it's hard to believe that all survivors are cannibals. it's just my idea

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    • they'll have a scene similar to the one in the video game season 1 episode 2, but instead it'll BE BETH.....that would be really dark but soooo sinister and awesome at the same time, I think they're is something wrong with me.....

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    • Terminus is also the original name for the city of Atlanta, Georgia. Between 1845 and 1854 rail lines arrived from four different directions, and the rapidly growing town quickly become the rail hub for the entire Southern United States. During the American Civil War, Atlanta, as a distribution hub, became the target of a major Union campaign, and in 1864 Union General Sherman's troops set on fire and destroyed the city's assets and buildings, save churches and hospitals. After the war the population grew rapidly, as did manufacturing, while the city retained its role as a rail hub. They could just be giving a nod to Atlanta, where filming takes place, and not some freaky cannibal hideout.

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    • What if Terminus is ruled by Gareth, who is Father Gabriel? But nobody knows that he is sacrificing people to the Hunters? It could be like this movie "Triffids" where the nun sacrificed people to the triffids? Gabriel is doing the same and after the people in Terminus got suspicious, he took Beth and holds her captive. Also Daryl's group will arrive there and they will have a fight against Terminus & Rick & co. At the end Daryl faces Rick and maybe Rick kills Daryl? Or they team up again, dont know. After the fight Daryl doesn't mention Beth to Maggie, because he don't want her to think he let Beth die. And then the Episode ends with Daryl's lie and someone is watching at them from a tower or something and we can hear Beth's voice calling for help.

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    • 37.24.159.143 wrote:
      What if Terminus is ruled by Gareth, who is Father Gabriel? But nobody knows that he is sacrificing people to the Hunters? It could be like this movie "Triffids" where the nun sacrificed people to the triffids? Gabriel is doing the same and after the people in Terminus got suspicious, he took Beth and holds her captive. Also Daryl's group will arrive there and they will have a fight against Terminus & Rick & co. At the end Daryl faces Rick and maybe Rick kills Daryl? Or they team up again, dont know. After the fight Daryl doesn't mention Beth to Maggie, because he don't want her to think he let Beth die. And then the Episode ends with Daryl's lie and someone is watching at them from a tower or something and we can hear Beth's voice calling for help.

      That would be super-awesome! :)

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    • Hannah-may wrote:
      Guys, have u seen Phillipine promo in episode 16 promos? it shows that that ugly disgusting fat f***** pedophile from Joe's claimers holds Carl and then Rick says to Michonne "He is mine"! and  Daryl is in Terminus either. HANDS OFF CARL!!! 

      In the comics, when the group meets a group of bandits (like Daryl'snew group) and one of the men tries to rape Carl. After that Rick tears the group members apart with his hands. So that may easily exlplain what you saw. 

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    • Well, yeah maybe that house was really a trap. Maybe someone from Terminus (If the cannibal theory was right) was watching and was waiting for survivors to go inside the house and make them feel comfortable. When they get all comfy and stuff, they'll kidnap them and eat them. But maybe the "guy watching them" failed his plan because of the dog when he/she barked at the door and alerted all of the zombies, which was not part of the plan of the "watcher" and instead had to kidnap Beth because the "watcher" saw that Beth was alone, and she was vulnerable to be kidnap as she was nervous, scared and probably was waiting for Daryl. Or the "watcher" kidnapped her because it's either take one or take none, because, if the "watcher" waited for Daryl to come to Beth, and tried to kidnap them both, the "watcher" has the chance to die, since Daryl is strong and there are two of them (Beth & Daryl). So instead the "watcher" kidnapped Beth since, like I said, she was nervous, etc. and she is easy to kidnap. And that taking one is better than taking none.

      The cannibal theory makes sense at all actually. Also, who would kidnap Beth? Almost all of the Governor's allies are dead and she has no family to save her. If one of the guys from prison saved her, they must have not stopped and saved Daryl too when Daryl chased the car.

      Also like a guy here said (I was strolling fast and saw his comment but never had the chance to see his name and I am too lazy too look at his comment because there are like 50+ comments her), at the episode "A", Rick "comes face to face with sheer brutality" (as written as the Plot Synopsis of "A" from this wiki) must have a connection with cannibalism.

      I think it is a religious turn on the Hunters. I just don't think they took Beth. I think it was someone else for ulterior motives. But we'll see. 

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    • Also note sacrificing animals, more specifically young animals. Human meat is said to taste like veal.

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    • terrified

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    • Ziki252 wrote:
      Hannah-may wrote:
      Guys, have u seen Phillipine promo in episode 16 promos? it shows that that ugly disgusting fat f***** pedophile from Joe's claimers holds Carl and then Rick says to Michonne "He is mine"! and  Daryl is in Terminus either. HANDS OFF CARL!!! 
      In the comics, when the group meets a group of bandits (like Daryl'snew group) and one of the men tries to rape Carl. After that Rick tears the group members apart with his hands. So that may easily exlplain what you saw. 

      I know the story and i've read this comics part. Just can't wait more to see this episode and  Rick's fury :)

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    • I just hope they dont try to bring some kind of "religious cult" cannibalism into the show. Like Mary being the saviourmother aka matriarch of a cult following cannibalistic rules etc. etc. ... There is a german movie called "hell" (pretty good btw ; "hell" also means "bright" in german.) about postapocalyptic cannibalism. Mary remembers me a lot of the mainantagonist of "hell". Same scenario.

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    • Who is Beth with in this picture.

      180px-Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

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    • Gregsson88 wrote:
      Who is Beth with in this picture.
      180px-Beth in alone is about to be attacked run Beth run

      Either that's Emily Kinney in a different TV show or that's from the episode we last saw her in.

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    • It is from TWD 

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    • Could be walkers. Could be people.

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    • I think the Terminus are really cannibals. See if you guys watched the last episode, when Rick (and group) ran through out Terminus after Mary shoots Alex, the snipers weren't shooting at them. Instead, they were shooting at the other pathways to lead them to the trailer. In which they will get ambushed then they put people to the trailer and take them one by one to eat them. Also if you guys noticed, when they were running through Terminus, they ran past a pile of flesh and bones surrounded by fences. If you guys look closely you can see skulls, bones and spines that definitely came from a human.

      The last episde, "A" was really cool and so good, but it was a total cliffhanger :I And I'll do anything to learn about the upcoming season and the upcoming episode. Looks like I won't be sleeping too well today.

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    • 124.6.181.42 wrote:
      Your observation's good. Or some would say. Over-analyzation.

      I don't see it as "Over-analyzation".

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    • Pretty sure Terminus is another form of the Hunters, Gareth is the "remix" of Chris, Beth was picked up by Gabriel considering the Church and cross on the car, and Rick's group is about to completely murder another group of survivors. Season 5!

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    • Weird with the "A" all over. It's even on the boxcar that the group is now in. Left over warehouse markings, or marking the first areas that new visitors (meals?) are kept. Nice pile of fresh bones. Stepping through every frame, I could not find a anything that was clearly a human skull. Nothing on the grill had any clear shape of a human body part. The set was created to still leave some question as to what is being eaten. Mmmmwwwaahahahaha,

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    • Zombie Geezer wrote:
      Weird with the "A" all over. It's even on the boxcar that the group is now in. Left over warehouse markings, or marking the first areas that new visitors (meals?) are kept. Nice pile of fresh bones. Stepping through every frame, I could not find a anything that was clearly a human skull. Nothing on the grill had any clear shape of a human body part. The set was created to still leave some question as to what is being eaten. Mmmmwwwaahahahaha,

      Um no. There was definitely human skulls (Among other things) in a pile in a fenced off area when the group is being cattle driven to the train car. Look again.

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    • Please let Beth live, pleas let her live.

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    • Lauren, you've got a hell of an eye for details. Kudos to that. I'd just add that the comics' Hunters are more the kind of hunter that follows the prey and being frontal on their motivation, instead of setting traps, so I'd add the show also took some inspiration from the St. Johns (although the main part is from the Hunters, just made them *better* hunters). For instance, comics' Hunters never tried to get people to trust them, they just follow them, wait til someone gets out of sight and eat him. Also, the size of the group is considerably larger, so they might have fused the Hunters' and Negan's groups for the series (also, the Hunters alone would be pretty short for a cliffhanger, while this group does seem plausible for an all out war storyline).

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    • Mrugiero wrote:
      Lauren, you've got a hell of an eye for details. Kudos to that. I'd just add that the comics' Hunters are more the kind of hunter that follows the prey and being frontal on their motivation, instead of setting traps, so I'd add the show also took some inspiration from the St. Johns (although the main part is from the Hunters, just made them *better* hunters). For instance, comics' Hunters never tried to get people to trust them, they just follow them, wait til someone gets out of sight and eat him. Also, the size of the group is considerably larger, so they might have fused the Hunters' and Negan's groups for the series (also, the Hunters alone would be pretty short for a cliffhanger, while this group does seem plausible for an all out war storyline).

      Wouldn't exactly think it's fused with Negan's group, but it's a good assumption. The season finale was 20/10. But I think the group's size is only because the survivors all came at different times and they just got considerably larger. Let's hope the beginning of Season 5 sums all of this up.

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    • Rick Grimes the hairy guy wrote:

      Wouldn't exactly think it's fused with Negan's group, but it's a good assumption. The season finale was 20/10. But I think the group's size is only because the survivors all came at different times and they just got considerably larger. Let's hope the beginning of Season 5 sums all of this up.

      Do you think they join with some survivors while eating others? I'm not sure if that could work, how would they be sure the ones they accept as part of the group don't take their cannibalism as an abomination and conspire to take over?

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    • Mrugiero wrote:
      Rick Grimes the hairy guy wrote:

      Wouldn't exactly think it's fused with Negan's group, but it's a good assumption. The season finale was 20/10. But I think the group's size is only because the survivors all came at different times and they just got considerably larger. Let's hope the beginning of Season 5 sums all of this up.

      Do you think they join with some survivors while eating others? I'm not sure if that could work, how would they be sure the ones they accept as part of the group don't take their cannibalism as an abomination and conspire to take over?

      I don't know, you tell me.

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    • I'm starting to think Beth is not at Terminus at all, but was perhaps hastily 'rescued' by someone from Alexandria Safe Zone. The recruiter, maybe? I don't remember his name. I just think it'd be odd pacing to reveal her half eaten corpse in the season 5 premiere or something when the opportunity for that was so ripe in 'A'. The only flaw in this I can think of is why she didn't insist they go back for Daryl, though it could be explained away.

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    • I don't think Beth is held hostage by anyone with intentions. She and Daryl obviously stumbled into someone's sanctuary and this someone (who enjoys making over zombie corpses and hold fake funerals, and is clearly OCD) found offense. The one eyed mutt was sent to the house as a test. Later that night, the stranger used the mutt again to alert Daryl to open his door, but this time to a bunch of zombies that had been lured there. I am unclear whether he knew there were two people (Beth being the second) staying in the house but I doubt it. The dog was sent over the first time in the morning, which means the stranger either came home late at night or in the wee hours of morning and realized his home was occupied; he would not have seen Beth, only Daryl who answered the door. Back to the zombie lure, the stranger would have known there was only one exit out and that was the front door (the no 2nd exit is noted by Daryl and Beth when they walk through the house initially) so I have to deduct he was counting on killing Daryl. Taking Beth was probably an impulsive move. This stranger was clever, patient and resourceful, and seemed eager to minimize chances of physical confrontations (with Daryl at least, who opened the door with a weapon in hand I think), and if his funeral home was any indication, probably twisted in psychopath fashion). I think he's a totally different game from Terminus or anything else we've encountered on TWD. This stranger, with a fondness for making over zombie corpses, may not be the empathetic soul Beth defended against Daryl's derisive comments of what kind of creep has a coffin in his living room, but more akin to disturbed Lizz.

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    • Sorry I meant "good" intentions. Obviously the stranger has intentions.

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    • Rick Grimes the hairy guy wrote:

      I don't know, you tell me.

      If I knew I wouldn't be asking. I think both are equally likely, but as I didn't thought of the possibility they could actually be joining some, I'll assume that to be true just to avoid admitting my first guess was wrong :P

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    • Mrugiero wrote:
      Rick Grimes the hairy guy wrote:

      I don't know, you tell me.

      If I knew I wouldn't be asking. I think both are equally likely, but as I didn't thought of the possibility they could actually be joining some, I'll assume that to be true just to avoid admitting my first guess was wrong :P

      i have wondered if there is some sort of code they work on - if you arrive and you don't draw your weapons, maybe you get to join. if you draw your weapons, you're out. or maybe everyone is given the choice to become a cannibal and if you refuse, you're out. (although the words in the shrine room might indicate that they trust no one).


      i've also wondered if the guy that was by himself that yelled for help that was taken down by walkers at the beginning of the episode is the the person who took beth. and maybe now she is free roaming the woods, making her way to terminus?

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    • Watermark wrote:
      Mrugiero wrote:
      Rick Grimes the hairy guy wrote:

      I don't know, you tell me.

      If I knew I wouldn't be asking. I think both are equally likely, but as I didn't thought of the possibility they could actually be joining some, I'll assume that to be true just to avoid admitting my first guess was wrong :P
      i have wondered if there is some sort of code they work on - if you arrive and you don't draw your weapons, maybe you get to join. if you draw your weapons, you're out. or maybe everyone is given the choice to become a cannibal and if you refuse, you're out. (although the words in the shrine room might indicate that they trust no one).


      i've also wondered if the guy that was by himself that yelled for help that was taken down by walkers at the beginning of the episode is the the person who took beth. and maybe now she is free roaming the woods, making her way to terminus?

      that last thing you said is one probability. maybe beth is on her way (alone) to terminus and they're going to see her again at the same place (jailed). (Also it's hard to know where the fuck are Carol, Judith and Tyreese)

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    • This is The Hunters, plain and simple, just a bit beefed up to make The Group overcomming it that much more intense. The Hunters is a crucial moment in the arc of The Group. It is here where they essentially change into killers. Right, it certainly seemed justified, but it was straight up murder. The group essentially ends (Terminus) allows reacting to situations and trying to be peaceful, to essentially becoming a feared and effective survival group. By the time they get to DC in the comic, they quickly take over that situation (and no, no way in the world does Negan have anything to do with Terminus). They changed up how it all goes down, but make no mistake, there are no deals here and it's all about eating peoples.

      There are TONS of references to food thoughout the episode. Additionally, right when they went over how to trap an animal it felt abundantly clear that this is what Terminus was. Where do you remember a community with open doors? The opening shot of the episode is of the gate opening at the church and constant attendance to the fences to clear walkers. But there's none around Terminus and ANYONE is free to ramble in. Once things went down, it was impossible that The Group would not get shot from the angles and amount of firepower against them, but that's because they were herding them.

      If things hold to the comic, The Group are going to execute, not just kill, but brutally execute the people of Terminus. We should also likely hear that they ate their own young. As for the rest of the group outside Terminus, we can only speculate, but it would make sense that the arrival of the third group might present an opportunity for overthrowal. The start of Season 5 is gonna be a bloodbath, and we should end up in DC by the end of the season. Possibly even by the midway point.

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    • 124.6.181.42 wrote:
      Your observation's good. Or some would say. Over-analyzation.


      Hey um......."Terminus" is at a railway junction in Macon, GA.  On the 'maps' in the series and IRL.  It isn't 'end of the line' anything.  Besides, Atlanta, the original "Terminus" of rail lines in GA is what that is named after, not some Roman thing.  BTW, Macon is South by southeast of Atlanta.......not between Atlanta and DC.

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    • I wanted to add, I think Bob Stookey was bitten (and not on the bandage) and is going to be the first to be eaten, the same way Dale's infected leg was eaten in the comic. Then the cannibals will be shocked to learn they are eating infected meat.

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    • Didn't the terminus group (can't remember who) say something along the lines of "Every person we take in makes us stronger" when asked about why they put up the signs and want visitors. Clearly that alludes to them literally taking people in THEIR BODIES!!! cool.

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    • 128.189.171.40 wrote:
      I wanted to add, I think Bob Stookey was bitten (and not on the bandage) and is going to be the first to be eaten, the same way Dale's infected leg was eaten in the comic. Then the cannibals will be shocked to learn they are eating infected meat.

      Ahh true. There wouldn't be any point of Bob being bitten if something like that isn't going to happen. It's going to tie in somewhere. I think you're right.

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    • It's been too long since Bob was bitten without showing any symptoms, so if that's going to happen, they delivered it really poorly.

      On Carol, Ty and Judith, as much as I want Judith to be dead (because writers saved her in a very poor way, and because a baby surviving a zombie apocalypse is just something that makes all of it look a lot less serious), I think they didn't arrived yet, and as someone suggested they might be crucial to the release and take over of the group.

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    • While Bob would have been the perfect oportunity to employ the "tainted meat" scene from the comics I feel it'll be a missed oportunity. As Mrugiero said its simply been far too long since he was kinda-sorta-maybe bit. But who knows, maybe someone will get bit in the meantime and that scene will come in to play down the line. I have to think though that the terminus group is vastly superior to the hunters in terms of smarts and common sense so they may scrap that idea entierely. A shame. Terminus seems way more like the canibals from the game actually.

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    • does anybody wonder what Mary offered Glenn? Did u see any cows around? Did it look like they hunted much or even went outside?

      They are cannibles. they plate was a test to see if they could eat human flesh. if they can then they become part of the group. if they can't well than, you get the idea.

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    • 173.191.232.169 wrote: does anybody wonder what Mary offered Glenn? Did u see any cows around? Did it look like they hunted much or even went outside?

      They are cannibles. they plate was a test to see if they could eat human flesh. if they can then they become part of the group. if they can't well than, you get the idea.

      I didn't even think about that......I thought they put something in the food to knock them out then take them to the boxcars

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    • 173.191.232.169, I think we all figured out already they are cannibals. And no, I don't think the plate was a test, as they didn't know (I don't think you can consider a person to be willing to eat human flesh if that person eats it unknowingly of its origin). The plate is just a bait, a way to earn trust. They feed you, thus they must be well meaning, so you follow their instructions until it is too late.

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    • Adam Up Bxtch wrote:

      173.191.232.169 wrote: does anybody wonder what Mary offered Glenn? Did u see any cows around? Did it look like they hunted much or even went outside?

      They are cannibles. they plate was a test to see if they could eat human flesh. if they can then they become part of the group. if they can't well than, you get the idea.

      I didn't even think about that......I thought they put something in the food to knock them out then take them to the boxcars

      naw, if you pay close attention to the gauntlet they run, it is riddled with bullets - they have played this game before, over and over again.

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    • Wonder if the snipers sit in those spots all day just in case more people come to Terminus....that'd have to be a boring job....

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    • If they do, I wonder how they didn't get overrun yet, as the noise created by the shots is likely to draw walkers.

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    • They probably clear the walkers everyday to keep up their appeal appearance-wise to new arrivals....they seem to have enough man power to pull this off

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    • I think it is very weird that the snipers do not hit any of them. So I think this already put in scene to put them in that container.

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    • Adam Up Bxtch wrote:
      Wonder if the snipers sit in those spots all day just in case more people come to Terminus....that'd have to be a boring job....

      They probably swap out shifts

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    • why did the termites want the people alive?  if you can answer me that i will b 100% sold on the cannible thing. 

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    • 173.191.232.169 wrote:
      why did the termites want the people alive?  if you can answer me that i will b 100% sold on the cannible thing. 


      To keep the meat from spoiling. If you die, you either turn or you rot. Very little electricity available...and refridgerators require a lot of electricity. So if you stay alive, your meat is still good.

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    • OK they r definately cannibles.  between the pile of bones and the scream there is no doubt.  There is no hope for Rick unless he knows someone on the inside.  

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    • 173.191.232.169 wrote: OK they r definately cannibles.  between the pile of bones and the scream there is no doubt.  There is no hope for Rick unless he knows someone on the inside.  

      Tyreese, Carol, and Judith will probably arrive at Terminus at the beginning on Season 5

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    • so do you think that terminus's residents are nicely helping people to be their food stock ?? 

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    • 54.211.219.20
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