• Don't get me wrong! I have loved every season of the Walking Dead(Season 2 the least but still like it) but i feel since Scott Gimple became the showrunner SEASON 4 HAS BEEN AMAZING, with episodes, like The Grove tonight, Too Far Gone and Internment. I mean the show didn't need saving but im so happy Mazzara(bitch) is gone cuz Scott Gimple is impressing seriously.....i can't wait for episodes 15 and 16.....

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    • Minus the horrible Daryl and Beth parts (why pair the worst characters together?) I agree. Scott Gimple sure knows how to make me happy, angry, and depressed all in 1 episode.

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    • THE GROVE was the most disturbing episode from the television series.

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    • The fact that Beth is a major player in this season is one of the reason i like Scott Gimple as well♫ I'll just have to see if Beth survive this season or not♫ If she does, S4 will be my new fav season♪ If not, I will try to find a way to sabotage Gimple's office and get him fired from TWD and make him even more hated than Glen Mazzara♫ Peace! v(-^w^-)v

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    • All in my opinion:

      Scott's doing great, but as I posted in another Scott Gimple thread, I really hope he starts to go back to the old episodic approach that we had in season 1 and 2.

      The show, in my opinion, should follow Rick, and incorporate others' stories in as it progresses in plot. I kinda want them to stop doing this hopping around from group to group each episode (even when they would do an "all-Woodbury" episode in season 3) with these little themes and lessons that shape the episode's dialogue and plots.

      I miss season 1 and 2 (definitely my favorites), when the story followed the same group with Rick at its core, and whatever themes and plots that came were not introduced in the beginning of one episode and resolved or learned by the end of the episode. It feels too pieced together, rather than one cohesive running storyline, which is what the show initially was, and was best at. As a Rick fan, I think it shouldn't be forgotten that the story is about him, his progression through this world and how it affects him.

      That all being said, I really do respect and appreciate Gimple's direction and contributions. What I think are some of the best episodes of the show were written by him. I just keep hoping they go back to the old formula before Darabont left, because that was the shows' best seasons as far as I see it.

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    • Loving Scott Gimple. He has a way better understanding of the comics than Mazzara ever did - and made up for the prison arc big time. Loving these shot-for-shot adaptations of the comics - hoping he can do the D.C. storyline justice and AMC keeps him around. He's the best thing since Darabont.

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    • 146.201.135.127 wrote: All in my opinion:

      Scott's doing great, but as I posted in another Scott Gimple thread, I really hope he starts to go back to the old episodic approach that we had in season 1 and 2.

      The show, in my opinion, should follow Rick, and incorporate others' stories in as it progresses in plot. I kinda want them to stop doing this hopping around from group to group each episode (even when they would do an "all-Woodbury" episode in season 3) with these little themes and lessons that shape the episode's dialogue and plots.

      I miss season 1 and 2 (definitely my favorites), when the story followed the same group with Rick at its core, and whatever themes and plots that came were not introduced in the beginning of one episode and resolved or learned by the end of the episode. It feels too pieced together, rather than one cohesive running storyline, which is what the show initially was, and was best at. As a Rick fan, I think it shouldn't be forgotten that the story is about him, his progression through this world and how it affects him.

      That all being said, I really do respect and appreciate Gimple's direction and contributions. What I think are some of the best episodes of the show were written by him. I just keep hoping they go back to the old formula before Darabont left, because that was the shows' best seasons as far as I see it.

      100% agreed on this.

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    • Well, I said this back when he was announced as showrunner, I knew for a fact that he was gonna save TWD. He has written some of my favourite episodes, not just in TWD, but in a lot of other shows too. I think his approach this season was amazing, every character was/is where they are supposed to be.

      Characters who got little development in the first 3 seasons are now carrying the show along. All of the characters and actors are getting their own shining moments, and I praise Gimple for that.

      I love that the group is split up, and I can't wait to see what material he comes up with for season 5. But yeah, even with another 2 episodes to go, I think it's safe to say that he saved the show. Let's hope these final two are as amazing as the first 14. :)

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    • i wonder if Gimple would of kept T-Dog around and given him something better than dying to save Carol!!

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    • Adam Up Bxtch wrote: i wonder if Gimple would of kept T-Dog around and given him something better than dying to save Carol!!

      The only reason T-Dog died was so that they could throw off the viewers to think that both T-Dog AND Lori wouldn't die in the same episode. T-Dog would've been a greater loss to the prison assault. I think T-Dog, Axel, Oscar, and Merle were killed off WAY too soon - their deaths would've been huge in Too Far Gone.

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    • The only episode of season 4 I can tolerate is "The Grove", and I will never forgive Gimple to make that horrible mid season finale, after Glen Mazzara, Gimple manages to ruin that classic the fall of the prison second time.

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    • 98.204.237.131 wrote: The only episode of season 4 I can tolerate is "The Grove", and I will never forgive Gimple to make that horrible mid season finale, after Glen Mazzara, Gimple manages to ruin that classic the fall of the prison second time.

      Are you kidding? The Mid-Season finale was almost everything I hoped it would be. The only thing is Judith and Beth should've died - but also Season 4 has been pretty good - making up for the mess that was Season 3.

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    • Gearslover01 wrote:

      98.204.237.131 wrote: The only episode of season 4 I can tolerate is "The Grove", and I will never forgive Gimple to make that horrible mid season finale, after Glen Mazzara, Gimple manages to ruin that classic the fall of the prison second time.

      Are you kidding? The Mid-Season finale was almost everything I hoped it would be. The only thing is Judith and Beth should've died - but also Season 4 has been pretty good - making up for the mess that was Season 3.


      I hate it because I love the comic, the mid season is trash comparing to the comic version of the prison assault

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    • 98.204.237.131 wrote:
      Gearslover01 wrote:

      98.204.237.131 wrote: The only episode of season 4 I can tolerate is "The Grove", and I will never forgive Gimple to make that horrible mid season finale, after Glen Mazzara, Gimple manages to ruin that classic the fall of the prison second time.

      Are you kidding? The Mid-Season finale was almost everything I hoped it would be. The only thing is Judith and Beth should've died - but also Season 4 has been pretty good - making up for the mess that was Season 3.

      I hate it because I love the comic, the mid season is trash comparing to the comic version of the prison assault

      Dude Really???? I think with how strict AMC is Too Far Gone was the best we were gonna get and it still was AMAZING. THEY CHOPPED OFF HERSHEL HEAD ON SCREEN DUDE REALLY THAT ISN'T ENOUGH?! What did Daryl, Judith, Beth, Bob and half the population have to die for you to be satisfied!? Too Far Gone is the best thing depicted from the comics!! The Lizzie and Mika scene is very well done as well. Your comments are seriously upsetting me right now......that being said the Season 3 finale was a joke and im glad Mazzara is gone....

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    • Season 4 has had episodes of sheer brilliance plus a couple of major league bad choices that took some of the season's luster away. I'm inclined to agree that the midseason finale verges on unforgivable. The battle sequences were phenomenal from an effects perspective but the bait-and-switch they did to the audience regarding the Governor's attack on the prison was an absolute disgrace that I will never be able to overlook because it threw a wrench into the structure of the entirecture of the entire season and put them in a position where over the course of 3 episodes they had to sell us on the idea he actually has a soul only to completely ruin the effect they pulled off in S4 episode 6. What a disaster for the credibility of the show' s ability to develop characters, that still pisses me off. Plus the Beth/Daryl episode, it was easily the worst episode in the history of the show. I find Beth ever more annoying, but at least that's a disaster/mistake they can fix and I can forget about because, mercifully, at least that episode doesnt ruin a series-defining arc. Otherwise most of the episodes have been really good!!!In fact, I think The Grove might be the best episode of the series. If you told me a month ago an episode focusing on Carol could be among the best ever I would have laughed in your face. Now I see her as a complex awesome character!!! Unlike Beth, Carol's character succeeded in carrying a major episode on her own--so brilliant. I'm skeptical, very skeptical, that Beth will ever be able to do that. They tried to give her that opportunity and she couldn't even come close to pulling off the kind of thing they were able to do with Carol' s character and role.

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    • PS:  To be clear, my problem with the midseason finale was made necessary by the S3 finale.  You could blame either episode, but trying to basically do the same episode twice at diff points in the series is what I can't stand.  

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    • 71.169.135.29 wrote:
      Season 4 has had episodes of sheer brilliance plus a couple of major league bad choices that took some of the season's luster away. I'm inclined to agree that the midseason finale verges on unforgivable. The battle sequences were phenomenal from an effects perspective but the bait-and-switch they did to the audience regarding the Governor's attack on the prison was an absolute disgrace that I will never be able to overlook because it threw a wrench into the structure of the entirecture of the entire season and put them in a position where over the course of 3 episodes they had to sell us on the idea he actually has a soul only to completely ruin the effect they pulled off in S4 episode 6. What a disaster for the credibility of the show' s ability to develop characters, that still pisses me off. Plus the Beth/Daryl episode, it was easily the worst episode in the history of the show. I find Beth ever more annoying, but at least that's a disaster/mistake they can fix and I can forget about because, mercifully, at least that episode doesnt ruin a series-defining arc. Otherwise most of the episodes have been really good!!!In fact, I think The Grove might be the best episode of the series. If you told me a month ago an episode focusing on Carol could be among the best ever I would have laughed in your face. Now I see her as a complex awesome character!!! Unlike Beth, Carol's character succeeded in carrying a major episode on her own--so brilliant. I'm skeptical, very skeptical, that Beth will ever be able to do that. They tried to give her that opportunity and she couldn't even come close to pulling off the kind of thing they were able to do with Carol' s character and role.

      That's really rather interesting. I guess this is all a matter of opinion, but I find myself disagreeing on a lot of things.

      I guess my only point on which I would agree is that I wish they hadn't given The Governor two episodes. But beyond that, I thought the midseason was almost exactly what the show should've done. Near perfect way to bring the first half to a close and offer a similar level of gravitas as in the comics. Rick's speech/Andrew's acting was as always amazing. Hershel's death was powerful, the fight was beautiful, Rick vs. Governor was great.

      As for the second half, I felt like Daryl and Beth's episode was one of the best of the second half. I loved it. Sure it was slow for the first half, but they FINALLY had somebody express some goddamn emotion, and Daryl and Beth did it beautifully. The whole second half thus far has been so repressed and pent up, its like the prison is just a distant memory and no one remembers how to speak their mind. The Walking Dead used to excel in real human moments, well written and clearly articulated thoughts and feelings, and logical responses. It still does so, better than a lot of shows. But its been lacking since Season 3 and this season too. It was great to see some of what the show used to be so good at. Well-written, honest to goodness genuine emotional moments.

      The Grove was good. Definitely. But best of the series? I mean, have you noticed that Mika is a terrible actress? Lovely young lady I'm sure, but absolutely horrible at deliviering the very trite and cliché lines she had in a believable way. Tyreese is STILL being given excessively simplistic reactions and emotions, and remains in large part to be just an extra body. I want him to be great, and I know Chad Coleman can do it, but they just don't seem to want him to do much more than be a sensitive black guy. Lizzie and Carol were great to watch, probably Carol's best moments of the show. But the episode overall was... shock without much awe.

      Like I said, its a matter of opinion no doubt. But its always neat to see that others can see what you see without actually seeing what you see.

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    • 146.201.135.127 wrote:

      That's really rather interesting. I guess this is all a matter of opinion, but I find myself disagreeing on a lot of things.

      I guess my only point on which I would agree is that I wish they hadn't given The Governor two episodes. But beyond that, I thought the midseason was almost exactly what the show should've done. Near perfect way to bring the first half to a close and offer a similar level of gravitas as in the comics. Rick's speech/Andrew's acting was as always amazing. Hershel's death was powerful, the fight was beautiful, Rick vs. Governor was great.

      As for the second half, I felt like Daryl and Beth's episode was one of the best of the second half. I loved it. Sure it was slow for the first half, but they FINALLY had somebody express some goddamn emotion, and Daryl and Beth did it beautifully. The whole second half thus far has been so repressed and pent up, its like the prison is just a distant memory and no one remembers how to speak their mind. The Walking Dead used to excel in real human moments, well written and clearly articulated thoughts and feelings, and logical responses. It still does so, better than a lot of shows. But its been lacking since Season 3 and this season too. It was great to see some of what the show used to be so good at. Well-written, honest to goodness genuine emotional moments.

      The Grove was good. Definitely. But best of the series? I mean, have you noticed that Mika is a terrible actress? Lovely young lady I'm sure, but absolutely horrible at deliviering the very trite and cliché lines she had in a believable way. Tyreese is STILL being given excessively simplistic reactions and emotions, and remains in large part to be just an extra body. I want him to be great, and I know Chad Coleman can do it, but they just don't seem to want him to do much more than be a sensitive black guy. Lizzie and Carol were great to watch, probably Carol's best moments of the show. But the episode overall was... shock without much awe.

      Like I said, its a matter of opinion no doubt. But its always neat to see that others can see what you see without actually seeing what you see.

      You're one of the smartest anon here, welcome to the wiki♫

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    • 71.169.135.29 wrote:
      PS:  To be clear, my problem with the midseason finale was made necessary by the S3 finale.  You could blame either episode, but trying to basically do the same episode twice at diff points in the series is what I can't stand.  

      Mazzara's Prison fight Season 3 Finale was a joke so Gimple came in and was like "Okay that sucked ass and we can't redo it so imma make S4 mid-season finale kick S3 finale in the ass.....the damage for the S3 finale was already done so Gimple did his best(which was awesome in my opinion)to save the ending to the Prison Arc which i think worked well....

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    • Season 4 has been the best, Gimple has done a marvellous job. I hear he's a fan of having tough female characters. Season 4 has seen Carol completely change into a badass, Beth has become a major character, and Maggie & Sasha are even tougher. Not to mention Michonne, but she's always been the best fighter among the female characters.

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    • Cheria wrote:

      146.201.135.127 wrote:

      That's really rather interesting. I guess this is all a matter of opinion, but I find myself disagreeing on a lot of things.

      I guess my only point on which I would agree is that I wish they hadn't given The Governor two episodes. But beyond that, I thought the midseason was almost exactly what the show should've done. Near perfect way to bring the first half to a close and offer a similar level of gravitas as in the comics. Rick's speech/Andrew's acting was as always amazing. Hershel's death was powerful, the fight was beautiful, Rick vs. Governor was great.

      As for the second half, I felt like Daryl and Beth's episode was one of the best of the second half. I loved it. Sure it was slow for the first half, but they FINALLY had somebody express some goddamn emotion, and Daryl and Beth did it beautifully. The whole second half thus far has been so repressed and pent up, its like the prison is just a distant memory and no one remembers how to speak their mind. The Walking Dead used to excel in real human moments, well written and clearly articulated thoughts and feelings, and logical responses. It still does so, better than a lot of shows. But its been lacking since Season 3 and this season too. It was great to see some of what the show used to be so good at. Well-written, honest to goodness genuine emotional moments.

      The Grove was good. Definitely. But best of the series? I mean, have you noticed that Mika is a terrible actress? Lovely young lady I'm sure, but absolutely horrible at deliviering the very trite and cliché lines she had in a believable way. Tyreese is STILL being given excessively simplistic reactions and emotions, and remains in large part to be just an extra body. I want him to be great, and I know Chad Coleman can do it, but they just don't seem to want him to do much more than be a sensitive black guy. Lizzie and Carol were great to watch, probably Carol's best moments of the show. But the episode overall was... shock without much awe.

      Like I said, its a matter of opinion no doubt. But its always neat to see that others can see what you see without actually seeing what you see.

      You're one of the smartest anon here, welcome to the wiki♫
      STILL is the best episode from the second half of this season?
      Andrewalmostfainted







      YOU NEED SOME NEW GLASSES BOY.

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    • 71.169.135.29 wrote:
      PS:  To be clear, my problem with the midseason finale was made necessary by the S3 finale.  You could blame either episode, but trying to basically do the same episode twice at diff points in the series is what I can't stand.  

      EXACTLY. this is what i felt when watching the episode, like .. the writers act like nothing ever happened in the season 3 finale. i wish there would be more mention of those that we lost in season 3, particulary Andrea. she deserved to be mentioned more than a fucking line, and Merle for God's sake. why every complex and interesting characters has to be killed? damn it. anyway... , and the revelation of who the Governor really is to Tara and his NEW crew. and if that ever happens i believe Tara would go and say that they should just walk into the prison like what Rick said. but not that Governor's bitch, Mitch fucking Dolgen.

      PS: Hershel's death was emotional for sure, but shocking? i dont know. it's debatable. because in the last of the episode we saw the Governor pointed his gun to him and Michonne, and all of us know for sure Hershel gonna get decapitated a week before he does. the only shocking death in the series was Andrea's, and probably Dale's.#NUFFSAID.

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    • Bernadusandrew wrote:

      71.169.135.29 wrote:
      PS:  To be clear, my problem with the midseason finale was made necessary by the S3 finale.  You could blame either episode, but trying to basically do the same episode twice at diff points in the series is what I can't stand.  

      EXACTLY. this is what i felt when watching the episode, like .. the writers act like nothing ever happened in the season 3 finale. i wish there would be more mention of those that we lost in season 3, particulary Andrea. she deserved to be mentioned more than a fucking line, and Merle for God's sake. why every complex and interesting characters has to be killed? damn it. anyway... , and the revelation of who the Governor really is to Tara and his NEW crew. and if that ever happens i believe Tara would go and say that they should just walk into the prison like what Rick said. but not that Governor's bitch, Mitch fucking Dolgen.

      PS: Hershel's death was emotional for sure, but shocking? i dont know. it's debatable. because in the last of the episode we saw the Governor pointed his gun to him and Michonne, and all of us know for sure Hershel gonna get decapitated a week before he does. the only shocking death in the series was Andrea's, and probably Dale's.#NUFFSAID.


      I do agree with that Tara would have joined the prison group if given the opportunity, gov may have killed her to stop anyone else from doing so. Him killing hershel was him taking action and shutting rick up before his army changed their minds.

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    • Bernadusandrew wrote:
      Cheria wrote:

      146.201.135.127 wrote:

      That's really rather interesting. I guess this is all a matter of opinion, but I find myself disagreeing on a lot of things.

      I guess my only point on which I would agree is that I wish they hadn't given The Governor two episodes. But beyond that, I thought the midseason was almost exactly what the show should've done. Near perfect way to bring the first half to a close and offer a similar level of gravitas as in the comics. Rick's speech/Andrew's acting was as always amazing. Hershel's death was powerful, the fight was beautiful, Rick vs. Governor was great.

      As for the second half, I felt like Daryl and Beth's episode was one of the best of the second half. I loved it. Sure it was slow for the first half, but they FINALLY had somebody express some goddamn emotion, and Daryl and Beth did it beautifully. The whole second half thus far has been so repressed and pent up, its like the prison is just a distant memory and no one remembers how to speak their mind. The Walking Dead used to excel in real human moments, well written and clearly articulated thoughts and feelings, and logical responses. It still does so, better than a lot of shows. But its been lacking since Season 3 and this season too. It was great to see some of what the show used to be so good at. Well-written, honest to goodness genuine emotional moments.

      The Grove was good. Definitely. But best of the series? I mean, have you noticed that Mika is a terrible actress? Lovely young lady I'm sure, but absolutely horrible at deliviering the very trite and cliché lines she had in a believable way. Tyreese is STILL being given excessively simplistic reactions and emotions, and remains in large part to be just an extra body. I want him to be great, and I know Chad Coleman can do it, but they just don't seem to want him to do much more than be a sensitive black guy. Lizzie and Carol were great to watch, probably Carol's best moments of the show. But the episode overall was... shock without much awe.

      Like I said, its a matter of opinion no doubt. But its always neat to see that others can see what you see without actually seeing what you see.

      You're one of the smartest anon here, welcome to the wiki♫
      STILL is the best episode from the second half of this season?
      Andrewalmostfainted







      YOU NEED SOME NEW GLASSES BOY.

      I actually thought it was the best too... I dunno, it felt like a season 2 episode.

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    • Dixonlovessquirrels wrote:
      Bernadusandrew wrote:
      Cheria wrote:

      146.201.135.127 wrote:

      That's really rather interesting. I guess this is all a matter of opinion, but I find myself disagreeing on a lot of things.

      I guess my only point on which I would agree is that I wish they hadn't given The Governor two episodes. But beyond that, I thought the midseason was almost exactly what the show should've done. Near perfect way to bring the first half to a close and offer a similar level of gravitas as in the comics. Rick's speech/Andrew's acting was as always amazing. Hershel's death was powerful, the fight was beautiful, Rick vs. Governor was great.

      As for the second half, I felt like Daryl and Beth's episode was one of the best of the second half. I loved it. Sure it was slow for the first half, but they FINALLY had somebody express some goddamn emotion, and Daryl and Beth did it beautifully. The whole second half thus far has been so repressed and pent up, its like the prison is just a distant memory and no one remembers how to speak their mind. The Walking Dead used to excel in real human moments, well written and clearly articulated thoughts and feelings, and logical responses. It still does so, better than a lot of shows. But its been lacking since Season 3 and this season too. It was great to see some of what the show used to be so good at. Well-written, honest to goodness genuine emotional moments.

      The Grove was good. Definitely. But best of the series? I mean, have you noticed that Mika is a terrible actress? Lovely young lady I'm sure, but absolutely horrible at deliviering the very trite and cliché lines she had in a believable way. Tyreese is STILL being given excessively simplistic reactions and emotions, and remains in large part to be just an extra body. I want him to be great, and I know Chad Coleman can do it, but they just don't seem to want him to do much more than be a sensitive black guy. Lizzie and Carol were great to watch, probably Carol's best moments of the show. But the episode overall was... shock without much awe.

      Like I said, its a matter of opinion no doubt. But its always neat to see that others can see what you see without actually seeing what you see.

      You're one of the smartest anon here, welcome to the wiki♫
      STILL is the best episode from the second half of this season?
      Andrewalmostfainted







      YOU NEED SOME NEW GLASSES BOY.

      I actually thought it was the best too... I dunno, it felt like a season 2 episode.

      I said one of the best, not the best, but hell yes to Dixonlovessquirrels' comment. Anything that feels like season 2 or season 1 is on the right track IMO

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    • Bernadusandrew wrote:
      THE GROVE was the most disturbing episode from the television series.

      NO LOL, Carol is great in  that episode, 4 out of 5 characters gained development. That episode is greater than Too Far Gone, action with huge development.

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    • I don't know about you guys but before season four even started they said that it would dive a lot into character development and and my god they dived into it all right.... I don't think I can really go back to see the characters in a "normal" world after this season, the apocalypse really changed them, thanks Gimple for making this my favorite season so far!

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    • SElliott765 wrote:
      Minus the horrible Daryl and Beth parts (why pair the worst characters together?) I agree. Scott Gimple sure knows how to make me happy, angry, and depressed all in 1 episode.

      I like their relationship, it's unexpected, like the bad boy character and the sweet little girl. I ship them. Hopefully she makes it past the season finale...Not so sure of that though.

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    • 146.201.135.127 wrote:
      71.169.135.29 wrote:
      Season 4 has had episodes of sheer brilliance plus a couple of major league bad choices that took some of the season's luster away. I'm inclined to agree that the midseason finale verges on unforgivable. The battle sequences were phenomenal from an effects perspective but the bait-and-switch they did to the audience regarding the Governor's attack on the prison was an absolute disgrace that I will never be able to overlook because it threw a wrench into the structure of the entirecture of the entire season and put them in a position where over the course of 3 episodes they had to sell us on the idea he actually has a soul only to completely ruin the effect they pulled off in S4 episode 6. What a disaster for the credibility of the show' s ability to develop characters, that still pisses me off. Plus the Beth/Daryl episode, it was easily the worst episode in the history of the show. I find Beth ever more annoying, but at least that's a disaster/mistake they can fix and I can forget about because, mercifully, at least that episode doesnt ruin a series-defining arc. Otherwise most of the episodes have been really good!!!In fact, I think The Grove might be the best episode of the series. If you told me a month ago an episode focusing on Carol could be among the best ever I would have laughed in your face. Now I see her as a complex awesome character!!! Unlike Beth, Carol's character succeeded in carrying a major episode on her own--so brilliant. I'm skeptical, very skeptical, that Beth will ever be able to do that. They tried to give her that opportunity and she couldn't even come close to pulling off the kind of thing they were able to do with Carol' s character and role.
      That's really rather interesting. I guess this is all a matter of opinion, but I find myself disagreeing on a lot of things.

      I guess my only point on which I would agree is that I wish they hadn't given The Governor two episodes. But beyond that, I thought the midseason was almost exactly what the show should've done. Near perfect way to bring the first half to a close and offer a similar level of gravitas as in the comics. Rick's speech/Andrew's acting was as always amazing. Hershel's death was powerful, the fight was beautiful, Rick vs. Governor was great.

      As for the second half, I felt like Daryl and Beth's episode was one of the best of the second half. I loved it. Sure it was slow for the first half, but they FINALLY had somebody express some goddamn emotion, and Daryl and Beth did it beautifully. The whole second half thus far has been so repressed and pent up, its like the prison is just a distant memory and no one remembers how to speak their mind. The Walking Dead used to excel in real human moments, well written and clearly articulated thoughts and feelings, and logical responses. It still does so, better than a lot of shows. But its been lacking since Season 3 and this season too. It was great to see some of what the show used to be so good at. Well-written, honest to goodness genuine emotional moments.

      The Grove was good. Definitely. But best of the series? I mean, have you noticed that Mika is a terrible actress? Lovely young lady I'm sure, but absolutely horrible at deliviering the very trite and cliché lines she had in a believable way. Tyreese is STILL being given excessively simplistic reactions and emotions, and remains in large part to be just an extra body. I want him to be great, and I know Chad Coleman can do it, but they just don't seem to want him to do much more than be a sensitive black guy. Lizzie and Carol were great to watch, probably Carol's best moments of the show. But the episode overall was... shock without much awe.

      Like I said, its a matter of opinion no doubt. But its always neat to see that others can see what you see without actually seeing what you see.

      Almost fully agree. Beth and Daryl's episode was great. The Grove was intense. But I agree, the girl who plays Mika is not a good actress by any stretch of the imagination. It made me cringe at how terribly fake and unbelievable she came across at times. Cute little girl, needs a lot of work on her acting. And also I feel the same way about Tyreese. Still don't feel a connection with him, and I feel like he whispers everything he says. Also, very minimal emotional reactions, you're right. 

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    • Siamesedream1 wrote:

      SElliott765 wrote:
      Minus the horrible Daryl and Beth parts (why pair the worst characters together?) I agree. Scott Gimple sure knows how to make me happy, angry, and depressed all in 1 episode.

      I like their relationship, it's unexpected, like the bad boy character and the sweet little girl. I ship them. Hopefully she makes it past the season finale...Not so sure of that though.

      Lovely - an 18 year old and a 45 year old man - adorbs.

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    • Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:

      SElliott765 wrote:
      Minus the horrible Daryl and Beth parts (why pair the worst characters together?) I agree. Scott Gimple sure knows how to make me happy, angry, and depressed all in 1 episode.
      I like their relationship, it's unexpected, like the bad boy character and the sweet little girl. I ship them. Hopefully she makes it past the season finale...Not so sure of that though.

      Lovely - an 18 year old and a 45 year old man - adorbs.

      Let's be real, his character is like probably in his mid 30s, and her character's probably 18, 19. It's the zombie apocalypse. Age and social norms don't really matter that much anymore. They're both adults. C'mon. Nothing wrong with it. Now if she was an underrage child, that would be kind of off putting...but she's an adult woman.

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    • Let's be real - he's in his forties. Besides - even if it were age appropriate I would still hate it. Hate Beth and hate Daryl.

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    • Beth Greene. Who has done NOTHING wrong and has never hurt anyone. Ever. She sings. She takes care of Rick’s kids. She makes the people at the prison happy. She tries to help out wherever she can.

      She has never murdered anyone. Has never deliberately lied or tried to manipulate anyone for her own benefit. Her ONLY sin is that she happened to find a place in Daryl Dixon’s heart. So people are wishing for the kindest, sweetest spirit in the entire show to be EATEN by her own FAMILY because she gets in the way of your delusional ship.

      BEHOLD the internalized misogyny in The Walking Dead fandom where people now want Beth Greene to savagely get eaten by her own family because they don’t like the fact that Daryl Dixon has a soft spot for her. [pats your shoulder] No one cares.
      Didn’t you get the memo? Daryl Dixon’s dick is sacred

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    • Cheria wrote: Beth Greene. Who has done NOTHING wrong and has never hurt anyone. Ever. She sings. She takes care of Rick’s kids. She makes the people at the prison happy. She tries to help out wherever she can.

      She has never murdered anyone. Has never deliberately lied or tried to manipulate anyone for her own benefit. Her ONLY sin is that she happened to find a place in Daryl Dixon’s heart. So people are wishing for the kindest, sweetest spirit in the entire show to be EATEN by her own FAMILY because she gets in the way of your delusional ship.

      BEHOLD the internalized misogyny in The Walking Dead fandom where people now want Beth Greene to savagely get eaten by her own family because they don’t like the fact that Daryl Dixon has a soft spot for her. [pats your shoulder] No one cares.
      Didn’t you get the memo? Daryl Dixon’s dick is sacred

      Misogyny? Really? I hate Daryl as well. My favorite characters of the show are Carol, Michonne, Maggie, Sasha, Tara, and soon enough Rosita. Nearly all the women. Could it be that, shocker, Beth is a terrible character? As in, written poorly? Her story didn't really even start until Season 2B when that suicide storyline dragged on for three episodes. Ever since then it's been boys, babysitting, and singing. She's a good singer but it feels way to damn forced. I feel like the writers were chuckling while including Beth singing in the script just to annoy the viewers. She's hardly evolved as a character. Killing a couple of Walkers doesn't change anything. She's still a bumbling teenage girl and acts like nothing is wrong in the apocalypse. Plus - I hate her fans - including those who accuse the haters of being sexist or misogynistic.

      Beth would've been better as Billy - another guy in the family who has the issue of taking care of his family and Maggie alongside Hershel. Beth should've died in the prison assault like Billy - so that Maggie could've gone through her depression like in the comics. But no.

      Sorry - but Beth sucks. Not because she's a girl - but because she's a poorly written, poorly acted, poorly developed character with no complexion or interest. I'm hoping she's the one being filleted by Mary in Terminus and is fed to Maggie.

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    • Are we gonna argue about Beth again? Jesus, you'd think by now people would accept her. I mean, if you don't like her, fine, but to say she hasn't been getting development is stupid. Without characters like her it would be unrealistic.

      Honestly, I like her character, but not that much. But saying you hate her fans isn't cool. Just cuz they don't share your opinion, doesn't give you the right to hate 'em.

      Also, I'm getting tired of people saying she's a shitty replacement for Billy. First of all, she didn't replace him, she's a different character. Second, Billy wasn't that great of a character. He didn't really do that much.

      If you don;t like Beth, fine, but to say you hate her fans is shitty, dude.

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    • Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: Are we gonna argue about Beth again? Jesus, you'd think by now people would accept her. I mean, if you don't like her, fine, but to say she hasn't been getting development is stupid. Without characters like her it would be unrealistic.

      Honestly, I like her character, but not that much. But saying you hate her fans isn't cool. Just cuz they don't share your opinion, doesn't give you the right to hate 'em.

      Also, I'm getting tired of people saying she's a shitty replacement for Billy. First of all, she didn't replace him, she's a different character. Second, Billy wasn't that great of a character. He didn't really do that much.

      If you don;t like Beth, fine, but to say you hate her fans is shitty, dude.

      I think I can call Beth fans shitty since they accuse people who don't like Beth of misogyny - that's a very serious accusation and an insult to women who actually are victims to misogyny.

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      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: Are we gonna argue about Beth again? Jesus, you'd think by now people would accept her. I mean, if you don't like her, fine, but to say she hasn't been getting development is stupid. Without characters like her it would be unrealistic.

      Honestly, I like her character, but not that much. But saying you hate her fans isn't cool. Just cuz they don't share your opinion, doesn't give you the right to hate 'em.

      Also, I'm getting tired of people saying she's a shitty replacement for Billy. First of all, she didn't replace him, she's a different character. Second, Billy wasn't that great of a character. He didn't really do that much.

      If you don;t like Beth, fine, but to say you hate her fans is shitty, dude.

      I think I can call Beth fans shitty since they accuse people who don't like Beth of misogyny - that's a very serious accusation and an insult to women who actually are victims to misogyny.

      Yeah, but not all of them say that.

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      Let's be real - he's in his forties. Besides - even if it were age appropriate I would still hate it. Hate Beth and hate Daryl.
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    • Cheria wrote:
      Beth Greene. Who has done NOTHING wrong and has never hurt anyone. Ever. She sings. She takes care of Rick’s kids. She makes the people at the prison happy. She tries to help out wherever she can.

      She has never murdered anyone. Has never deliberately lied or tried to manipulate anyone for her own benefit. Her ONLY sin is that she happened to find a place in Daryl Dixon’s heart. So people are wishing for the kindest, sweetest spirit in the entire show to be EATEN by her own FAMILY because she gets in the way of your delusional ship.

      BEHOLD the internalized misogyny in The Walking Dead fandom where people now want Beth Greene to savagely get eaten by her own family because they don’t like the fact that Daryl Dixon has a soft spot for her. [pats your shoulder] No one cares.
      Didn’t you get the memo? Daryl Dixon’s dick is sacred

      Preferring certain characters over another isn't misogyny, my friend. I like Beth though. Just isn't the strongest character. I hope neither her or Daryl dies and they stay together.

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      Gearslover01 wrote:
      Let's be real - he's in his forties. Besides - even if it were age appropriate I would still hate it. Hate Beth and hate Daryl.
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      Can't wait until Daryl dies. One of the few things actually holding the show down.

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    • I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

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    • Gearslover01 wrote:

      Cheria wrote: Beth Greene. Who has done NOTHING wrong and has never hurt anyone. Ever. She sings. She takes care of Rick’s kids. She makes the people at the prison happy. She tries to help out wherever she can.

      She has never murdered anyone. Has never deliberately lied or tried to manipulate anyone for her own benefit. Her ONLY sin is that she happened to find a place in Daryl Dixon’s heart. So people are wishing for the kindest, sweetest spirit in the entire show to be EATEN by her own FAMILY because she gets in the way of your delusional ship.

      BEHOLD the internalized misogyny in The Walking Dead fandom where people now want Beth Greene to savagely get eaten by her own family because they don’t like the fact that Daryl Dixon has a soft spot for her. [pats your shoulder] No one cares.
      Didn’t you get the memo? Daryl Dixon’s dick is sacred

      Misogyny? Really? I hate Daryl as well. My favorite characters of the show are Carol, Michonne, Maggie, Sasha, Tara, and soon enough Rosita. Nearly all the women. Could it be that, shocker, Beth is a terrible character? As in, written poorly? Her story didn't really even start until Season 2B when that suicide storyline dragged on for three episodes. Ever since then it's been boys, babysitting, and singing. She's a good singer but it feels way to damn forced. I feel like the writers were chuckling while including Beth singing in the script just to annoy the viewers. She's hardly evolved as a character. Killing a couple of Walkers doesn't change anything. She's still a bumbling teenage girl and acts like nothing is wrong in the apocalypse. Plus - I hate her fans - including those who accuse the haters of being sexist or misogynistic.

      Beth would've been better as Billy - another guy in the family who has the issue of taking care of his family and Maggie alongside Hershel. Beth should've died in the prison assault like Billy - so that Maggie could've gone through her depression like in the comics. But no.

      Sorry - but Beth sucks. Not because she's a girl - but because she's a poorly written, poorly acted, poorly developed character with no complexion or interest. I'm hoping she's the one being filleted by Mary in Terminus and is fed to Maggie

      The female characters i like are Maggie, Michonne(I didn't like Michonne at the beginning of Season 3, I didn't start liking her until the end of S3), Tara and Rosita, i can't stand Sasha at all never liked her since she came in Season 3, Carol she isn't that bad but after her daughter died she became less interesting as a character, She was amazing in The Grove though that was her best episode by far, Beth does need to go though, she should of died like Billy from the comics i agree. I like Daryl but yes i agree his time will be coming soon as well, we got Tyreese and Abraham now two new potential right-hand men for Rick

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    • Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.

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    • Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.

      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.

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    • Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:
      Let's be real - he's in his forties. Besides - even if it were age appropriate I would still hate it. Hate Beth and hate Daryl.
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      Can't wait until Daryl dies. One of the few things actually holding the show down.

      Holding the show down? Really? Daryl has added a lot to the show.

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    • Siamesedream1 wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.

      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.

      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

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    • Honestly when Daryl was first introduced in the second episode of the show i didn't like him at all, i was praying they'd kill him off but after Season 2 i started liking him

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    • Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.
      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.

      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

      Well, nice to know I'm stupid and my opinion is wrong.

      If you had half a brain, you'd realize that a lot of his fans are joking around when they say they'll stop watching if he dies. But, even if they do, why is that pissing you off? I've done stuff like that before, if my favourite character leaves/dies, then the show begins to lose my interest and the qualtiy drops. Then, I eventually stop.

      Now, I won't ever stop watching TWD unless it gets stupid, but you're letting this shit get to you too much.

      (Also, I think he does have story left. This whole marauders thing is pretty interesting, you gotta give them that).

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    • Dixonlovessquirrels wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.
      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.

      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

      Well, nice to know I'm stupid and my opinion is wrong.

      If you had half a brain, you'd realize that a lot of his fans are joking around when they say they'll stop watching if he dies. But, even if they do, why is that pissing you off? I've done stuff like that before, if my favourite character leaves/dies, then the show begins to lose my interest and the qualtiy drops. Then, I eventually stop.

      Now, I won't ever stop watching TWD unless it gets stupid, but you're letting this shit get to you too much.

      (Also, I think he does have story left. This whole marauders thing is pretty interesting, you gotta give them that).

      Well that joke is annoying. Might I add another 75% why I hate Daryl is that fucking meme "WE HAVE A DARYL" that's plastered all over the goddamn Facebook page and somehow gets 7000 likes. It's annoying to me because it's pathetic. Carol is my favorite character. I don't go around saying "I'm gonna quit the show if Carol dies," or "If Carol Dies, We Riot." Jokingly or not, I'm not going to say that. Will I be devastated if she dies? Absolutely. Even mad? Possibly. But I will never joke around like that.

      Daryl's Marauder thing is interesting, but it's a rehash of what both he and Merle went through. Daryl is a lone wolf, becomes part of a group and a productive member, group riles him up about an unknown enemy, the time comes when Daryl realizes it's his own group (Rick), in which he will make the ultimatum. Either he dies being killed by the Marauders, or he kills them all. Both are predicable, but I prefer the former.

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    • Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.
      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.

      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

      Lol. Not intellectual to prefer a certain character over others? Get over yourself. Not everyone shares your opinions.

      Daryl is definitely one of my favorite characters (Rick's my favorite). He does have a story. He's the tough guy with a good heart. People love him because of that, not because of the cheesy one liners. He's one of the central characters of the group. I wouldn't quit watching the show if he died. Would I be mad? Maybe would I lose some interest? I don't know, possibly, probably not. I'd be sad about it though. Because I've grown attached to his character. If you don't like him, that's fine. But don't get so pissed that he's some people's favorite character. 

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    • Dixonlovessquirrels wrote:
      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:


      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.
      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.
      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

      Well, nice to know I'm stupid and my opinion is wrong.

      If you had half a brain, you'd realize that a lot of his fans are joking around when they say they'll stop watching if he dies. But, even if they do, why is that pissing you off? I've done stuff like that before, if my favourite character leaves/dies, then the show begins to lose my interest and the qualtiy drops. Then, I eventually stop.

      Now, I won't ever stop watching TWD unless it gets stupid, but you're letting this shit get to you too much.

      (Also, I think he does have story left. This whole marauders thing is pretty interesting, you gotta give them that).

      Same. Unless it gets super unrealistic and stupid, or cartoonish, I'm done. If Daryl dies, I'll be sad but I'll probably keep watching. I might lose just a small bit of interest though. I don't know. I don't like Abraham, Eugene, or Rosita's characters, so they wouldn't fill the void good enough for me.

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    • Siamesedream1 wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.
      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.

      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

      Lol. Not intellectual to prefer a certain character over others? Get over yourself. Not everyone shares your opinions.

      Daryl is definitely one of my favorite characters (Rick's my favorite). He does have a story. He's the tough guy with a good heart. People love him because of that, not because of the cheesy one liners. He's one of the central characters of the group. I wouldn't quit watching the show if he died. Would I be mad? Maybe would I lose some interest? I don't know, possibly, probably not. I'd be sad about it though. Because I've grown attached to his character. If you don't like him, that's fine. But don't get so pissed that he's some people's favorite character. 

      What I can't stand is with both Beth and Daryl fans, they aren't critical of the character. Carol had issues, she was too weak and not a good enough mother to find Sophia, and she coddled Lizzie and Mika which led to both of their deaths. I was critical of my favorite character and explained her negatives, but she remains to be my favorite character. Daryl and Beth fans act like everything is perfect in every way about them. In terms of writing and character.

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      Siamesedream1 wrote:

      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:


      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.
      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.
      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

      Lol. Not intellectual to prefer a certain character over others? Get over yourself. Not everyone shares your opinions.

      Daryl is definitely one of my favorite characters (Rick's my favorite). He does have a story. He's the tough guy with a good heart. People love him because of that, not because of the cheesy one liners. He's one of the central characters of the group. I wouldn't quit watching the show if he died. Would I be mad? Maybe would I lose some interest? I don't know, possibly, probably not. I'd be sad about it though. Because I've grown attached to his character. If you don't like him, that's fine. But don't get so pissed that he's some people's favorite character. 

      What I can't stand is with both Beth and Daryl fans, they aren't critical of the character. Carol had issues, she was too weak and not a good enough mother to find Sophia, and she coddled Lizzie and Mika which led to both of their deaths. I was critical of my favorite character and explained her negatives, but she remains to be my favorite character. Daryl and Beth fans act like everything is perfect in every way about them. In terms of writing and character.

      You really need to stop generalizing the Daryl and Beth fans. Everyone is different.

      Why dod they need to point out their favourite character's flaws? I mean, they don't have to, just like you don't point out anything that's good about them because you hate them. I havve pointed out flaws in Daryl before, and I know he isn't perfect, but if he is to some people, why are you letting that bother you so much?

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    • Dixonlovessquirrels wrote:
      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:


      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:


      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.
      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.
      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

      Lol. Not intellectual to prefer a certain character over others? Get over yourself. Not everyone shares your opinions.

      Daryl is definitely one of my favorite characters (Rick's my favorite). He does have a story. He's the tough guy with a good heart. People love him because of that, not because of the cheesy one liners. He's one of the central characters of the group. I wouldn't quit watching the show if he died. Would I be mad? Maybe would I lose some interest? I don't know, possibly, probably not. I'd be sad about it though. Because I've grown attached to his character. If you don't like him, that's fine. But don't get so pissed that he's some people's favorite character. 

      What I can't stand is with both Beth and Daryl fans, they aren't critical of the character. Carol had issues, she was too weak and not a good enough mother to find Sophia, and she coddled Lizzie and Mika which led to both of their deaths. I was critical of my favorite character and explained her negatives, but she remains to be my favorite character. Daryl and Beth fans act like everything is perfect in every way about them. In terms of writing and character.
      You really need to stop generalizing the Daryl and Beth fans. Everyone is different.

      Why dod they need to point out their favourite character's flaws? I mean, they don't have to, just like you don't point out anything that's good about them because you hate them. I havve pointed out flaws in Daryl before, and I know he isn't perfect, but if he is to some people, why are you letting that bother you so much?

      Way to go Dixon♫

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    • Dixonlovessquirrels wrote:
      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:


      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Siamesedream1 wrote:


      Gearslover01 wrote:

      Dixonlovessquirrels wrote: I think it's gotten to the point where you only hate the characters because you want to piss off his fans. Can't blame you, I've done shit like that before. But damn, if you really hate him this much... that's kinda scary.

      Yeah I hate Daryl - there was a time when I liked him - but then the fans got annoying about it, the writers constantly put in ridiculous shit for him, and now he's hogging the spotlight. It's because of him that Tyreese was delayed for over a season. Tyreese and Abraham are here now. And with Morgan, Aaron, Eric, Jesus, Ezekiel, Nicholas, and Dwight coming into the picture soon - I hope Daryl better leave before he hogs up anymore of someone else's screen time.
      So you dislike him because of his fans? That's messed up. Tyreese's character is dull and barely shows any emotion, and I swear I forget he's on the show half of the time.
      If you had half a brain - you would've read that I don't like Daryl for more reasons other than just his fans. But yeah his fans are annoying. At this point saying Daryl is your favorite character is like saying Pikachu is your favorite Pokémon - it's not intellectual. Just because he does stupid stunts, never gets hurt, and constantly says cheesy one-liners he's everyone's favorite and everyone else sucks or is not as good a character as him - his story as a character is over - it was after Merle died. The fans also claim that they will stop watching the show if he dies. Him dying will not be the end of the world, nor would it be the end of the show. And these people claim to be the biggest fans even though they threaten to quit the show if he does - which is bullshit because they'll bitch and moan and forget all about it - though they'll keep on bringing it up if he does and they threaten leaving so that the writers won't kill him off - but they aren't owned by the fans.

      But read it again. His fans is like 25% of why I hate Daryl.

      Lol. Not intellectual to prefer a certain character over others? Get over yourself. Not everyone shares your opinions.

      Daryl is definitely one of my favorite characters (Rick's my favorite). He does have a story. He's the tough guy with a good heart. People love him because of that, not because of the cheesy one liners. He's one of the central characters of the group. I wouldn't quit watching the show if he died. Would I be mad? Maybe would I lose some interest? I don't know, possibly, probably not. I'd be sad about it though. Because I've grown attached to his character. If you don't like him, that's fine. But don't get so pissed that he's some people's favorite character. 

      What I can't stand is with both Beth and Daryl fans, they aren't critical of the character. Carol had issues, she was too weak and not a good enough mother to find Sophia, and she coddled Lizzie and Mika which led to both of their deaths. I was critical of my favorite character and explained her negatives, but she remains to be my favorite character. Daryl and Beth fans act like everything is perfect in every way about them. In terms of writing and character.
      You really need to stop generalizing the Daryl and Beth fans. Everyone is different.

      Why dod they need to point out their favourite character's flaws? I mean, they don't have to, just like you don't point out anything that's good about them because you hate them. I havve pointed out flaws in Daryl before, and I know he isn't perfect, but if he is to some people, why are you letting that bother you so much?

      Exactly. Well said. 

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    • To me, Daryl is an okay character. He has some interesting parts of him that could be developed.


      And I liked the way the crew made The Governor seem like a good guy, and then have him just destroy the Prison. For me, that really shows how some people are too far gone in that world.

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    • I gotta say I don't like Carol, I like her better than Lori(most hated character on the show to me) but she was just plain annoying up until Season 4, she still isn't one of my favorites but I can stand her a little better now...out of her and Tyreese I'd hope Tyreese outlives her, Tyreese is defiantly one of my favorite characters...

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    • I have to say, it's gotten much better since Scott Gimple took over. Glenn Mazzara has disappointed me big time. One of the worst things in the TV show was Andrea. She was such a wonderful, developed character with a likeable personality in the comics. TV Series Andrea was a whiny bitch who saw no redemption until her final episode. This was a huge disappointment for me in the fact that I loved Andrea in the comic books.

      Another disappointment for me was Lori. In the comics, she was a fierce character, who stayed consistent with her decisions and didn't flip out on Rick for killing Shane. She might not of been the best character in the comics, but she was certainly better than TV Series Lori, who joins TV Series Andrea in the whiny bitch club of characters who were insufferable until their deaths.

      One of the things I felt in the first three seasons of The Walking Dead was that characters who weren't game-changers frequently had little to no personality, or inconsistent ones that changed to fit the whim of the producers. They only seemed to show up at convenient moments. Jimmy, had virtually no personality. He did almost nothing for all of Season Two, until he died saving Rick and Carl from the burning barn. Patricia also did almost nothing and remained unexplored, where in the comics, she was an overly-trusting woman who was unable to see fault in people.

      And then there's Beth.

      Beth was a very bland character in Seasons Two and Three. In Season Two, she tried to kill herself and cried when Jimmy died. In Season Three, they basically said, "Here. Take this baby and sing all the time." In Season Four, though, they began to explore her. She became a developing character who tried to be strong. They gave her good lines and a personality. She became an actual character, versus a boring babysitter. A lot of hate is directed at Beth, but I quite enjoy watching her try and establish herself as a person and an adult in a world where people still view her as a child.

      Honestly, Scott Gimple is saving the show.

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    • Have to say, I was disappointed with Season 4B. While it wasn't as disappointing as Season 3's finale, I do feel like the whole "character development" was a poor execution. Yeah, character development is nice, but it's absolutely required in drama shows, like TWD. To me, it felt more like a cop-out. Instead of fixing Season 3B, 4 just went and ignored it all like the plague.

      The whole issue with Rick doubting himself as leader is now pretty much cliche, as we've seen this mostly in Season 2 and 3, while in the comics this issue is past gone. I feel that Terminus should have been introduced a lot earlier, which would have made things more interesting. 

      The Grove, however, was pretty much the best episode out of the season. While I wasn't too fond of Carol in the beginning of the series, I now feel differently about her. Instead of being harmless and dependent, she's now the opposite, and I think that was the best direction for her to go down to after losing Sophia, Ed, and doing almost nothing in Season 3. I really didn't expect Lizzie killing Mika, either.

      Beth and Daryl's second episode was garbage, and possibly the worst Season 4 episode. The acting was pretty atrocious, and some of Beth's actions made no sense to me (although some of ya'll might have understood it better than I have). And you can't tell me that drinking straight-up moonshine and acting like it's nothing is good acting, because that shit is powerful, and I'm being dead serious.

      The mid-season finale, even though it was an attempt to fix Season 3's finale, was not as good as in the comics. I know that most of the show doesn't exactly follow the comics, but it would have been better had they had more characters killed. 

      I really don't know how Season 5 will play out, though. I hope they go back to the more traditional storytelling like in Season 1 and 2. While Season 2 was "eh", it at least had a cohesive storyline that doesn't branch off to other characters that take an entire episode to resolve their conflicts. Instead, the conflicts affected everyone throughout the season, and no one was spared; Shane kept dogging on Rick, the group doubted Rick as a good leader, and the arguments whether putting down Randall all made the Season better, etc, and Season 3's beginning was even better, until it hit rock bottom with Rick going crazy because Lori's vagoo wasn't big enough to birth out Judith.

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    • Scott Gimple has been writing some of the best episodes for every season so far!!! The barn episode was epic! Just re-watched it on Netflix and it's still captivating... major props to Mr. Gimple!

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    • His weakest episode that he wrote was probably 18 miles out but he cowrote that with F-ing Glen Mazzara and that was still a really good episode. Episodes like PMDA, The Grove, Clear, and This Sorrowful Life are true masterpieces, bring Scott Gimple an Emmy or some award for his ability to write these amazing episodes

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    • Hot Jamally wrote: I really didn't expect Lizzie killing Mika, either.
      until it hit rock bottom with Rick going crazy because Lori's vagoo wasn't big enough to birth out Judith.

      You really didn't see that coming? Have you EVER read the comic books?

      But that last line was redemption right there. I haven't laughed that loud in a while.

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    • 173.172.129.209 wrote:
      Hot Jamally wrote: I really didn't expect Lizzie killing Mika, either.
      until it hit rock bottom with Rick going crazy because Lori's vagoo wasn't big enough to birth out Judith.
      You really didn't see that coming? Have you EVER read the comic books?

      But that last line was redemption right there. I haven't laughed that loud in a while.

      It happened in the comics? I just started reading it, so thanks for the spoilers, i guess Lol

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    • Hot Jamally wrote:
      173.172.129.209 wrote:
      Hot Jamally wrote: I really didn't expect Lizzie killing Mika, either.
      until it hit rock bottom with Rick going crazy because Lori's vagoo wasn't big enough to birth out Judith.
      You really didn't see that coming? Have you EVER read the comic books?

      But that last line was redemption right there. I haven't laughed that loud in a while.

      It happened in the comics? I just started reading it, so thanks for the spoilers, i guess Lol

      sorta

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    • To be fair, AMC cut the budget for TWD, and even fired some of the writers, which was a major problem Frank Darabont had with them. When the Season 3 finale aired, I thought, "Oh, well I guess AMC didn't want to spend any money on fireworks." I wonder how much the budget cut played a role in Mazzara's writing. You can't write in a tank if AMC won't pay for it. The show has been successful in spite of some bad decisions made by AMC. At some point, they apparently realized they had to increase the budget or they would have done the show in.

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    • Scott Gimple is terrible. You want to know just how bad he is? 

      Let's put the season 4 finale in Game of Thrones terms. That episode was equivalent to the red wedding, if Robb had managed to slay Walder Frey and his mother and wife managed to make it out of there safely.

      That's how terrible he is. And The Grove was garbage. It was an artsy attempt at reproducing a terrible plot from the comics that should have been cut. All it did was show that Carol is a heartless murderer of little girls.

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    • Cheria wrote:
      The fact that Beth is a major player in this season is one of the reason i like Scott Gimple as well♫ I'll just have to see if Beth survive this season or not♫ If she does, S4 will be my new fav season♪ If not, I will try to find a way to sabotage Gimple's office and get him fired from TWD and make him even more hated than Glen Mazzara♫ Peace! v(-^w^-)v

      have you found a way yet?

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    • I actually think the show is getting worse. Seasons one and two are my favourite, I loved Darabont and how he portrayed the comic characters (apart from Dale).

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    • Hindsights a bitch, isnt it. I know im a year late but its funny reading these old comments. Gimple ruined this show.

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    • I think this thread is an excellent record of this generations general demeanor and social interaction, for better or for worse(likely the latter but history is history). The unexpected, humorous, and wild accusations of misogyny. The irellevant attacks on equally irellevant points of others. Just all of it, it's beautiful and should be in a museum. 

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    • Scott Gimple may be a half-decent writer, but he is NOTHING compared to Frank Darabont. 

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    • Darabout did great with the Pilot. He wasn't given the chance to go further than S1 (which was good - but not amazing as I thought it was years ago). But, I have doubts about how masterful he'd be into season 7 and beyond.

      Either way people would still find loads to complain about.

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    • Now people say other things about Gimple...since How It's Gotta Be

      But hey, at least he gives Gabriel a decent character development.

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      Now people say other things about Gimple...since How It's Gotta Be

      But hey, at least he gives Gabriel a decent character development.

      Mazzara did a job that liked to the fans in the first part (Season 2B and maybe 3A) but then decay later (Season 3B)

      Now with Gimple the history repeats itself, started well (Season 4+5+6) but is now in crisis (Season 7+8)

      We'll have to see if Gimple recovers or we'll have a new Showrunner for the Whisperers War in the Season 10

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    • I love reading all those old messages of Scott being praised.

      We really really need a new showrunner. Scott is turning into Mazzara.

      And that’s an insult.

      To Mazzara.

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    • If I met Scott Gimple I would call him an idiot, because he is the reason why Carl was pretty much bitten.

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    • While it's become popular to hate on Gimple, S4 and 5 were exactly what the show needed to get back on track. Gimples style of story worked at the time but is now, like anything, tired and cliched. Had he been replaced by Season 6 onwards, the show could keep fresh again. 

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    • Who would be a better showrunner? I mean, drop a few names. Not just “anyone but Gimple”.

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    • KeepOnKeepingOn wrote:
      Who would be a better showrunner? I mean, drop a few names. Not just “anyone but Gimple”.

      I'm thinking Benedict Cumberbatch teaming up with Jackie Chan. Thoughts?

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    • KeepOnKeepingOn wrote:
      Who would be a better showrunner? I mean, drop a few names. Not just “anyone but Gimple”.

      Well in the world of audiovisual entertainment there are many candidates

      But AMC never hires someone from outside, whenever there is a change of showrunner, a writer of the current team is chosen, then the showrunner can only be someone who has written episodes for the Tv series

      Angela Kang will be for season 9 and maybe 10 ... If it was not her I would have recommended Seth Hoffman, he worked in the series during seasons 4 to 6 and wrote the best episodes of this three seasons

      For some reason Hoffman stopped working on the Tv series in the seasons 7 and 8... in fact it is one of the reasons that the show so decayed monumentally

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